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I don't want to sound alarmist, but this has the potential to be a very big problem, and so far things are adding up. A while back a support tech logged the following bug: #NIM087819 Feature service shows no editable layer error when the feature class was from workgroup sde (sqlexpress) with OS authentication . Looking back on it, that was a 2012 instance (Express). So now getting SQL Server 2012 Standard up and running (Enterprise) I spent some time with both the SDE/Geodata team and Server Implementation. When editing a feature service with a SQL 2012 RDBMS in you in ArcGIS Desktop receive an error 'no editable workspace'. However, when editing via arcgis online, the feature service edits as expected. All permission/privileges have been verified as correct. This got one of the techs thinking about this bug: NIM085096 Uploading mobile edits to an SQL 2012 database fails with Mobile 3.0, 3.1, and 10.1.1 The correlation here being that both ArcGIS Desktop and Mobile access the data via SOAP, while the ArcGIS online was using the REST endpoint. I'm starting to think that 2 Bugs are indeed related. If there is indeed a bug preventing SOAP based edits and feature services are not going to work for Desktop...then this is a big issue. Searching the web this morning I attempted to gain a little more insight into SOAP and SQL 2012. This subject is generally out of my league, but what i found was very unsettling: http://vikasrajput.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/sql-server-2012-removed-soaphttp-endpoint/ http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/sqldenengine/thread/c5e75052-3a63-45c7-b234-f4d55dea8b67/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc645577.aspx Again, I'm quite ignorant to the means by which server/sde handles the editing transactions so I can only hope the above isn't implying what I think its implying (no fix). Even then, not being able to edit a feature service is a big deal. I expect to hear a follow-up on this soon, and will post any additional info I receive.
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perhaps a stupid question, but I presume there are license implications for every VM you create a new GIS site on, correct?
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Many thanks for the elaboration and contribution. I have started another thread to better explain what I�??m aiming at. Sure, I�??m using the �??ArcGIS Web Applications Manager�?� provided with the 10.1 version of ArcGIS server. No prior web applications were built with 10.0 or so. http://forums.arcgis.com/threads/75653-Building-web-applications-on-the-server-machine-while-working-on-the-client-machine?p=265293 Best Jamal Jamal, I'm beginning to think that this may be the root of several of your issues. From everything you have provided, I believe that you should not be using the ArcGIS Web Applications Manager.
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Nope, you cannot. Sorry. I have the same deployment as you. You have to add your new SQL Express instance to your Database Servers in Catalog, and then you just right-click that instance> 'new Geodatabase'. Let me know if you are having any trouble adding your new instance.
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Thibault, When you say multi-machine are you saying multiple GIS sites, or a distributed machine environment where you just want to manage your GIS server from another device? For the first: The process of creating a multiple-machine deployment of ArcGIS Server has also been simplified. You run the same installation on each machine and connect the machines using ArcGIS Server Manager. So the manager component is a part of each installation. From what I gather, if you had multiple sites you would log into your first site and configure accordingly. Opening Manager the first time When you open Manager the first time, you'll be asked whether you want to create a new site or join an existing site. Creating a new site means you are just getting started and you want to add this machine as the first GIS server in your configuration. Joining an existing site means that you want to add this machine as a GIS server in an existing configuration. See the help topics below to learn what you'll need to do for the option you choose: Then your additional sites you would log into and add to your existing site: A site is a deployment of ArcGIS for Server. If you've installed ArcGIS for Server for the purpose of connecting it to an existing site, you have the opportunity to specify that site the first time you open Manager. Installing ArcGIS for Server on multiple machines If you are talking about the 2nd scenario, the AGS manager is a web application. In my case i can access my server manager anywhere on my network.
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I've never seen that error with the 'publickey'...But Did come across another thread which never got answered either. http://forums.arcgis.com/threads/59722-issues-with-10.1-Final-connecting-to-10.1-Pre So you're not alone. You are not using the web adapter, correct? This is the only configuration setting I'm familiar with where you can limit web-based admin access. If your server administrator has configured the Web Adaptor to block administrative access to the server, you will not be able to connect to the server in ArcGIS for Desktop through the Web Adaptor URL using an administrative or publisher connection. Alternatively, you can connect directly to the GIS server by using the URL format http://<GIS server>:6080/arcgis. My site is secured via SSL (and not relying upon the http public key like it appears yours is) but had some problems with 10.1 SP1 using special characters for the admin account with SSL and the web adaptor. Likely unrelated. Its starting to sound more like a security issue.
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Jamal, I'm still concerned about your Web applications manager installation. I think that may be part of our issue here. Do you have existing applications from 10.0 and prior already built? If not, you do not need it installed. The ADF continues to ship with ArcGIS 10.1 for Server as a separate setup named ArcGIS Web Applications. This exists solely for the purpose of supporting legacy applications. The setup includes ArcGIS Web Applications Manager, a legacy version of Manager that allows you to view and modify your web applications. As to your testing/development environment, you may want to start another thread, or maybe another user will offer advice regarding that. I'm not so sure that I would have gone as far as installing all of the server related software on my desktop to support a development environment, especially since you'll have to migrate that entire deployment to your server-client scenario after the development phase. Personally, I'd set up a working server environment and host my applications/builders/viewers on there and just not make the derived applications available until things were working properly. But I have no idea about your production environment or what license opportunities you have at your disposal (mine are limited, so I cannot support an EDN sandbox for example). Please get back to me regarding the Web Applications Manager.
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Hey Marc, Did you look at the 'Updating the Layout Templates' section here? I registered my folder as you did but had to restart the service first in order for the GIS Server to see the MXDs. Did you try that?
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Hey Jerry, I dont have a list for you, but here's some food for thought: http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/31636/is-arcgis-10-1-desktop-compatible-with-10-0-server http://resources.arcgis.com/en/help/main/10.1/index.html#//002q000000n9000000 http://forums.arcgis.com/threads/61331-Can-ArcGIS-Desktop-10.1-users-publish-maps-using-ArcGIS-server-10 That last one may be the deal breaker if the ESRI person is correct: To publish a service from ArcGIS for Desktop 10.1, you will need to either publish to ArcGIS for Server 10.1 or ArcGIS Online. But there may be a workaround by saving to a 10.0 MXD (not sure about that though) Without knowing all the details of your deployment like what RDBMS & OS you are using, there are 2 compatibility dynamics to address. Desktop to GIS server & GIS server to RDBMS (your question regarding if you can upgrade SDE but not server...). Enterprise geodatabases are supported in 64-bit database management systems As mentioned in What's new in ArcGIS 10.1 for Server, ArcGIS for Server is now a 64-bit applicatiion. ArcSDE and enterprise geodatabases are part of ArcGIS for Server and, at 10.1, support only 64-bit databases. See the topics in the Relational Database Management Systems section of the ArcGIS 10.1 System Requirements for supported databases and operating systems. So that said I'm not convinced you can update SDE but not Server...at 10.1 the two are built into 'ArcGIS for Server'.
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Ah yes, i believe i'm all clear now. I install/host the builders on our Web Server (IIS7). My desktop/client: i use a web browser to access the builder and start making applications. I believe the short answer is: that is the c:\ of your server. My question for you is this: Do you have existing web applications you built at 10.0 using the Web ADF? If not, i'm not sure there is a need to have that installed. http://resources.arcgis.com/en/help/main/10.1/index.html#//0154000002p0000000 The ADF continues to ship with ArcGIS 10.1 for Server as a separate setup named ArcGIS Web Applications. This exists solely for the purpose of supporting legacy applications.
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Terry, that is a bit mysterious. Did you ever find an answer?
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I understand you are not using the fully qualified domain name in your deployment, but for what its worth here are the differences in my user connection: https://website.com/arcgiswebadaptor/services vs my admin connection: https://website.com/arcgiswebadaptor/admin (the 'arcgiswebadaptor' is the actual name of our web adaptor [lame I know]). My first questions would be are: 1) are you using an account with admin privileges to make the admin connection? 2)It doesn't look like you are using the web adaptor, but have you looked into this?: 3)are you using a 10.1 desktop to connect to your 10.1 server?
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Jamal, These web applications are hosted on your Web Server of choice, presumably IIS(7-8). When I install these they are located within the IIS folder structure: inetpub\wwwroot. So if I understand your question correctly, its on the server side. I'm not sure how the client side comes into play here. Perhaps you could further explain the particular client and the role it assumes in your scenario?
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What kind of data are you performing the task against?
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I don't know much about SDE, but I think the standard order is Desktop, Server, then SDE. And I believe you can just use Desktop aand SDE. Yes that is the correct order. Regarding your Desktop-SDE combo, are you using ArcSDE 'personal' edition?
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