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Should there be a new "Python Scripting" forum?

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10-27-2010 09:38 AM
ChrisSnyder
Honored Contributor
Should there be a new "Python Scripting" forum that is seperate from the existing "Geoprocessing" and "ArcGIS Desktop - General" forum topics?

For the "long story" background on the issue: http://forums.arcgis.com/threads/10092-Should-this-forum-be-SPLIT

The basic arguments are (and I am trying to be very 'fair and balanced' here, although maybe I shouldn't 😞

Yes: Python scripting continues to become an increasingly popular and important method to automate GIS workflows and with advances in v10, no longer applies to only geoprocessing tasks. Providing a separate "Python Scripting" forum will make it easier for knowledgeable contributors to reply to Python-related questions and provide a more focused and easy to browse knowledge base resource for all users interested in Python scripting.  

No: Fewer forum topics is better, as many new ESRI users do not know what forum to post their questions under. Having fewer forum topics concentrates traffic and maximizes posts. The more threads in a forum, the better chance the thread will be responded to. Python-related questions are best left in the existing "Geoprocessing" and/or "ArcGIS Desktop - General" forums.

Python users (or would-be users) unite! Help shape the new ESRI forum... Vote!
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ChrisMathers
Deactivated User
I meant by "geo" that while a great deal of data reflects or is generated by processes that deal with the spatial aspect of the data, many functions do not. They rely on the table alone and can ignore the spatial portion. I dont consider that geoprocessing, simply processing. I separate arcpy.mapping from the rest of GP because it does not alter your data or return quantitative data. That module is intended to control design and export of page layouts. It is map automation not analysis automation. Im sorry I brought it up. This thread isnt to discuss the pedantics of what is and isnt GP, it is to decide if Python is an encompassing enough focus of esri product users to warrent a specific forum on the subject.
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Pey_JinCook
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This thread isnt to discuss the pedantics of what is and isnt GP, it is to decide if Python is an encompassing enough focus of esri product users to warrent a specific forum on the subject.


Indeed.  When you are making your point or using something to support your argument by saying, "Arcpy.mapping if nothing else makes python a separate catagory from GP. Taking python into its own forum would open up the disscussion to more avenues than just GP."

I think we need to know if arcpy.mapping really is a separate category from anything Geoprocessing, don't you think?  At least it will make things clear in that arena and for any old and new user reading this.
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DanPatterson_Retired
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as of Nov 1,
491 view, 31 votes...what is up?  an indication of the confusion/lack of interest...kill General Anything... and make people commit to a forum thread...geoprocessing is geoprocessing not mapping or spatial analyst etc etc..  Import arcpy from Pythonwin or you favourite IDE, SA is there, so is the mapping stuff...I don't want to have a specific Python forum if it is going to be filled with SA stuff, since it should be in the SA forum...since SA is the issue/focus and Python is only ONE of the solutions.
Sorry...I feel like I am backing up over the deer to finish off this thread (hunting season here).  The ball is in the "JB court"...
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ChrisSnyder
Honored Contributor
As of right now, this post (the 33rd) is a bit of a milestone in that there is now more "banter" about the poll than actual votes! I should have made a sensational commercial with menacing music, slight half truths, scowling faces, and edited soundbites. That would have rile up the electorate for sure.

For those that voted and commented (either way) - Thank You.

Really, I see two general types of questions being put on a potential "Python" forum topic:

1) I know little to nothing about Python: How do I accomplish task x?
2) I know some Python and I need help with a  syntax. Here's my code, what am I doing wrong?

In my opinion, I see these questions as very separate from the other topics that they might also concern. For example, a question about the correct Python syntax for the SingleOutputMapAlgebra tool. Yes, of course the question concerns a Spatial Analyst function, but has a clear Python focus. Therefore it belongs in a Python forum.

I agree with Dan on one thing: I too would like to see the "ArcGIS Desktop - General" forum killed. Just an observation, but the quality of the answers I see there sometimes leave a lot to be desired. I believe one of the issues is that a "General" forum is that it is simply not engaging to "power users" that have the experience/knowledge to offer quality responses. There is no "focus" there, and therefore offers little to interest many of us that relatively few (but good) specific areas of expertise. There are a ton of questions that clearly fit into one of the "Function" forum topics... Why aren't people putting them there? I see three big reasons:

1) They don't know about the Function topic forums (maybe a "sticky" would be helpful to redirect traffic?)
2) The ArcGIS Desktop - General forum is at the top of the Forum page, and is the 1st forum topic that "sounds like it would work".
3) There is a lot of thread volume in the General forum. As I have noted here, many people want to draw the link between thread volume and higher volume of (assuming correct/quality) responses, although I don't see that as the case at all - in fact quite the opposite! An interesting stat to consider is a forum's post/thread ratio. It could be interpreted in different ways, but as I see it, the larger the number the more interest/replies to a thread. It's illustrative to note that:
- General forum (11392 / 3768 = ~3.02)
- Geoprocessing Forum (3306 / 971) = ~ 3.4
The Geoprocessing forum (a more focused topic) clearly has more replies per thread (a bit more than 10% actually which is seemingly small, but significant I think). Assuming in a focused forum topic, more replies = better replies.

To Jim: It is fitting that today being election day that maybe a decision could be made at the end of the week per the proposed Python forum. Seems like, sadly, it won't take long to tally the votes on this one.
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TedCronin
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It is still a sample, so we should be able to extrapolate out of the sample results so far that are in, and see that roughly 75% want one, that counts for something, and there are 2 people against that are from Esri.  So, whether Esri gets a vote, either keeps as is or the 75% goes up. 

Agreed, would be nice if jb would make the decision so we can all move on from this topic.
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LornaMurison
Regular Contributor
1) They don't know about the Function topic forums (maybe a "sticky" would be helpful to redirect traffic?)


I don't think a forum called "functions" really stands out as being the place to ask a question about ArcGIS Desktop to someone who maybe comes on here to get answers once a month, or to a "casual" forum user.

I don't know of anything better to call it though... I think putting it at the top of the forums page might not hurt.

I agree with the "get rid of general forums" notion.
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DanPatterson_Retired
MVP Emeritus
Ted
and see that roughly 75% want one, that counts for something, and there are 2 people against that are from Esri. So, whether Esri gets a vote, either keeps as is or the 75% goes up.


No one who has comments, except for JB works for ESRI so I would suspect that any voting is from the users, myself included.

Also, it is the NON-vote that is more important, should we treat those as abstaining from the issue or should we cast them into the pile to leave things as they are???  Those figures suggest a different outcome.
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ChrisSnyder
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DanPatterson_Retired
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ChrisSnyder
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