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Links to Esri Community posts only work correctly about half the time, sometimes just go to home page

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05-22-2024 10:25 AM
Will
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Frequent Contributor

When I share links to others to particular posts or discussions in the Esri Community, the links only work properly about half the time.  Specifically, half the time it will go to the correct post/discussion, but the other half of the time the same link will just go to the Esri Community home page, which is confusing, because I think sometimes the recipients of my links experience that same behavior and may assume I'm asking them to find the post/discussion from the home page which of course is unreasonable.  Does anyone else experience this problem? If anyone has insight on how to fix this it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

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BlakeMorrison
Frequent Contributor

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SimiBasu
Esri Community Manager

Hello @BlakeMorrison @Will  

Can you please confirm if below are the steps to reproduce the issue :

The workflow to recreate is as follows.

  • Sign-in to forum - wait 12-24 hours to let it timeout.
  • In the time that you're waiting for the timeout - visit some other esri/arcgis subdomains, I have usually visited developers.arcgis.com - At this point the subdomain I'm visitng will show the "Sign In" link in the top-right corner - offering me the option to sign in. I do not sign in. I just browse around without signing in. I'm not entirely sure if this step should take place before or after forums login timeout.
  • After like 24 hours (assumedly when the forums login times out), if I visit a direct link to a forum post it will redirect to the forum homepage. At this point I've only tried links from DuckDuckGo results. I should grab a  clean link from somewhere else for testing."

At this point no other user has been affected by this issue.  So looks like this issue might be just for hand full so we can narrow it down to testing only those users. 

Also, can you please clear the browser cache and try to recreate the reported issue again?

Looking forward to hearing from you.

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BlakeMorrison
Frequent Contributor

@Bud, do you still have this issue?

 

@SimiBasu,

  1. The issue didn't occur today - and I was ready and watching for it as I saw your reply in my emails this morning. I've since been into a different browser and started to recreate this workflow as requested, I will report back tomorrow.
  2. Can I please ask you to confirm how long the forum sign-in time out is supposed to be? I don't want to have to login to this forum every single day that I visit. It doesn't seem appropriate and I believe is related to this issue. @Bud@Will can you confirm how long you believe your sign in timeout is? Ie. If you visit the forums approximately every day or so, do you have to login every time you visit? My login will only persist for the day.
  3. With regards to the workflow I posted in September last year, and you have ignored until now: Yes, that is still the workflow I would like to communicate to you.
  4. I will say this again, as like the previous point, you may have ignored it. There's only 2 people harping on about this because most people haven't worked out your website is broken, they just don't see the content. And if they knew it was broken, they wouldn't let you know, they'd just curse ESRI under their breath.
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Bud
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@BlakeMorrison I literally had this issue when opening this post from the link in the notification email.

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https://community.esri.com/t5/community-feedback/links-to-esri-community-posts-only-work-correctly/m... 

Like Blake, I suspect many people have this issue, but have not reported it.

Unfortunately, I don't know how long the timeout is. I haven't paid close enough attention. But I was logged into the community yesterday at 4pm Eastern, and I clicked the aforementioned link today at 9:30am, and experienced the issue.

For what it's worth, I got a new computer a month or two ago, but I have been having this problem for years. So it's not a problem with the computer or the cache.

To reiterate, we shouldn't have to log into the community, and then re-click the link, to view a post. Even if it's been a year since the user logged into the community, a hyperlink should bring the user to the post, not to the community homepage. 

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BlakeMorrison
Frequent Contributor

I can confirm this still occurs. Multiple browsers. I, too, am on a new computer since I reported this issue. Just a reminder also, this isn't just a forum issue, it's an issue across multiple esri domains.

 

I just clicked a link on a device that I've never used to sign in to any esri product before and it worked perfectly fine and as expected. I suspect that if I sign in and wait 8 hours on that device, I will experience the reported behaviour. That is to say, the issue is with the sign-in timeout redirect. Specifically, it is not redirecting to the clicked link, but instead some default domain-specific homepage.

 

@SimiBasu, Can you please confirm that the vendor support team you've contacted is not just the esri community software vendor.

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SimiBasu
Esri Community Manager

 @BlakeMorrison  @Bud  Thank you for your response and the additional details. Please note that the inactivity time before auto-logoff is 8 hours. The vendor support and engineering team are currently investigating this issue, and I will keep you updated or follow up with any further questions.

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BlakeMorrison
Frequent Contributor
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JesseCloutier
Esri Community Manager

Hi @BlakeMorrison@Will@Bud, and anyone else following this thread. The details you’ve provided so far have been helpful and I want to provide an update from our end. It’s possible there may be more than one thing taking place based on what’s been described, one of which is expected behavior:

Esri’s security protocols require a timed logout from Esri Community. The way this works is that a login period should only last eight hours, as @SimiBasu had previously shared. Following that window, the next time a user attempts to access a page on Esri Community our system will recognize that time limit has passed and initiate a logout. When users undergo a logout, the typical behavior is that they’re returned to Esri Community’s Home Page. This means that if a user logged into Esri Community 8+ hours prior clicking on an Esri Community link or experience a page reload, that will lead to the system instead initiating the logout process which appears to be in line with experiences you’ve described.

A quick point on this: We recognize that even though the 8 hour login window is a required security protocol that we don’t have plans to change, users being redirected away from a page they had open (perhaps in a tab from the day before) or needing to follow a link twice (once for logout, then once to visit the desired page) isn’t the most ideal scenario. Changing that redirect behavior to take someone to the desired page directly after the logout process would be a customization and it’s something that we’re bringing up with our platform vendor to better understand what would be involved and/or gauge its potential as a future update.

I mentioned that there may be more than one thing taking place. Something we’re still looking into with our platform vendor is whether some logouts are being triggered earlier than the expected eight hours. We had engaged Esri’s Authentication team during this process, and they were not able to replicate that circumstance. If earlier logouts are happening, there is some possibility that individual organizations are being affected, for instance, due to some interaction with their company’s firewall.

If you find that you are being logged out earlier than eight hours from your last login, please confirm new examples with us and, if applicable, please include any URLs that were followed or the last page you were on right before the logout occurred. Even better, if you happen to be able to catch a screen recording that would be understandably difficult to plan for but great. You can send that to esricommunity@esri.com.

Blake, regarding your suggestion that this is a problem affecting all Esri domains rather than just Esri Community, this is again something that our Authentication team couldn’t replicate but it’s something we’ll be happy to reconnect with them about if more examples occur. If/when it does happen in other Esri domains, please do let us know what URL you were attempting to reach and what URL you were redirected to. Any details regarding the time of your last login to ArcGIS Online or MyEsri are useful. Screen recordings, like above, are also excellent to capture if possible.

Jesse Cloutier
Community Manager, Engagement & Content
BlakeMorrison
Frequent Contributor

Thanks for the acknowledgement, Jesse.

 

I can only point to this previous comment regarding this happening on a non ESRI community domain:

https://community.esri.com/t5/community-feedback/links-to-esri-community-posts-only-work-correctly/m...

 

I don't believe I've ever experienced a logout/redirect prior to 8 hours. 

 

Sorry to be a pain about this situation, but I work in an office full of people who refuse to engage with any ESRI support personnel because of ridiculous interactions and communication patterns, as demonstrated in this thread. ESRI need to know that their support teams are causing people to avoid their products.

 

Edit:

I just realised @SimiBasu has been telling us all along that we are the only ones experiencing this problem. Now @JesseCloutier has told us this is expected behaviour. Has Simi done anything about this at all or has it all been a farce that she's tried to keep quiet? More gaslighting from ESRI.

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JesseCloutier
Esri Community Manager

@BlakeMorrison,

I want to confirm that I had reviewed the comment you’d made regarding the non-Esri Community domain and instance where you’d attempted to access one link but were sent to a different URL. Our Authentication team was unable to replicate that or provide explanation. We have not come across examples from others experiencing the same thing happening outside of Esri Community, so we will need more examples and data in order to continue pursuing that particular issue.

Thank you for confirming that you don’t believe you’re being affected by a less-than 8 hours forced logout from Esri Community. We’re not certain that is taking place, but is an issue Simi was investigating based on messages between this and other conversations where the timeouts and links were in discussion and a past issue we’d resolved that sounded like it may have some overlap.

To your final question, there is no attempted suppression or insincere claim regarding investigation into the concerns raised in this post. Members of our Esri Community team do our best to understand the issues being reported to us, which can sometimes include multiple rounds of data gathering and layers of communication on our end as we work with other teams within Esri or with our platform vendor. In this case, it has turned out that the most likely scenario is that there is no connection between the two things we had initially been looking into as one issue: That a limited number of users were possibly experiencing a premature logout of Esri Community, which resulted in an (unexpected) early trigger of the expected logout process.

As of right now, after having checked in with our Authentication team and our platform vendor during the course of this thread, it appears that there may be no bug prompting early logouts. Instead, the takeaway for us is a request from users in this post and one or two others that we consider adding a future customization that would take users back to either the page they were on or to a link they’re attempting to access after they’ve hit the timeout logout.

If we receive additional data or clues that indicate there is indeed still some deeper issue at play here, we’ll be more than happy to look into it.

Jesse Cloutier
Community Manager, Engagement & Content
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