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ArcGIS Pro: Option to Enable Dockable Toolbars and Menus

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09-12-2017 10:42 AM
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Simply put, please provide an option to disable the contextual ribbon, and enable dockable toolbars and menus in their entirety, just like ArcMap.

I have been trialing Pro for a few weeks for the second time since it has come out.  I trialed 1.x, left it, and now 2.0.1.  I have gone through several iterations of Arc since the 3.x days.  I'm not against change, and 64 bit is the future.  However, this round seems too focused on "look and feel", versus efficiency of core workflows.

That said,  the contextual menu may have it's place, but not in my or many of my peers' workflows.  It is just as much of a pain in Office 2016, and I believe a majority will agree.  Ribbons have their place in single display devices with small screens, like laptops and tablets.  I believe ESRI developers have lost touch with how big their software actually is, and how much of the [efficient] core work behind all the "slick" maps gets done at a desktop workstation with multiple monitors.  Without the big work, you don't get "slick" maps for the pseudo "Arc Users" to play around with on their mobile devices.  There's more to "GIS" than turning map layers on an off on a buttery smooth base map service.  Don't forget about the power users behind the scenes.

Some running examples, not including the many missing tools:

1)  The ribbon actually removes more real estate from my map display than a typical dual-monitor docking arrangement of regularly used menus and toolbars.

2)  If I needed a different tool for a less common workflow, the ArcMap method of a single right-click that displayed all potential toolbars, with a check, or not, was magnificently simple and yet robust.  In fact, seeing all the tools was an excellent way to encourage self-teaching of new tools and workflows.  I can't count how many times I had some data or an idea,  and looked at the toolbar list for the best (possibly new) way to get the end result.  Now everything is split up and buried.

3)  With multiple monitors to dock menus and toolbars, ArcMap power users are able to keep regularly used tools "in their place", and instantly select a tool or operation with one click from muscle memory.  The contextual ribbon forced ESRI to split everything up, subdividing it under a limited number of "contexts".  As end users, we are now forced to interpret which "context" the developers felt a certain tool or operation fell under, navigate to that tab, and then frequently now guess which dropdown to use under that tab.  Once the correct tool or operation is found, we must then further navigate additional contexts within a pane or even panes.  Sometimes we even need to navigate multiple contexts for a simple layer property or labeling change.  All extremely inefficient, and oftentimes not intuitive.

That is all for now, but I have two unrelated observations to note:

1) This webpage is responding to mouse and keyboard at about 1 character or click per 3 seconds.  Everything else on my machine, including other websites is extremely fast.  Coincidence?

2)  There is no flag or category for ArcGIS Pro.  Very suspect, considering the popularity of the subject, its focus at the User Conference, and that this is where tech support refers all complaints.

35 Comments
RTPL_AU

@KoryKramer Building a custom toolbar is handy in many cases but I have found that just being able to dock a default toolbar is preferred when you have to do something specific for a short period of time and then move on. 

Example - create new layout templates. You'll use the element and text ribbon toolbar a lot and once the layouts are done for a project they can be ignored for a while.  Spending the time to build a new toolbar  using the current text file way is cumbersome when compared to just docking the standard one.

@vanesch This could be sped up by adding a 'Clone toolbar' button that allows you to select the ribbon toolbar and copy it in full rather than finding every option one-by-one.

paulbehnke

The ribbons get in the way. When developing this atrocious software the focus was bent on the ribbons. I HATE it, for ONE example,  when I right-click a record from the attribute table to either pan or zoom to it or just flash it, the focus goes to the ribbons to change them to the Table ribbons, but after panning/zooming/flashing, the ribbons go back to Map focused ribbons. I AM NOT WORKING IN THE MAP YET, I AM STILL IN THE TABLE, so when I right-click then next record that I want to pan/zoom/flash/select/etc, I must wait for the ribbons to finish updating, and i must right-click again because the focus went to the ribbons. Now, on a slower machine THIS IS ABYSMAL!

I have been using esri products for 25 years and i thoroughly enjoyed my job and now I want to change careers! There is NOTHING pleasant about Pro! The focus on the RIBBONS is JUST ONE!

wayfaringrob

@paulbehnke  agree entirely. It remains a clumsy mess.

KoryKramer

@paulbehnke what version of ArcGIS Pro are you using? Beginning in ArcGIS Pro 3.4, for the scenario you're describing, I believe you should see different behavior.

https://pro.arcgis.com/en/pro-app/3.4/help/data/tables/table-options.htm#ESRI_SECTION1_910405D3D5E04...

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I believe that is off by default, and when off you shouldn't see the focus switch to the map when you're working in a table view.

paulbehnke

@KoryKramer I recently upgraded to 3.5.2 and it is still basically the same. When you right-click a record in a table the ribbons no longer seem to be updating but the focus still goes to the map, so you must right-click a second time in the table in order to flash/pan/zoom/ etc.

But this is just one example of MANY. For example, when working in the Utility Network, a simple task it is overcomplicated because of constant movement between ribbons and panes.

Not only the ribbons, but editing tasks were not thought out... you constantly have to go back to the editing ribbon. What used to be one click are now several, for EVERY type of edit (vertex editing, moving, split, merge, etc). I have calculated it out, and just SIMPLE editing tasks take 4700% longer than they did in Map!!!!

As a matter of fact, I was recently looking at what turns out to be outdated how-to's on the Utility Network, and back then the ribbons specific to the UN were able to be undocked into panes which is no longer the case, so it CAN BE DONE. 

At the VERY LEAST, being able to undock ribbons would help workflow TREMENDOUSLY.