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Trimble Positions Thread - Post Here

DaveChamberlin

I wanted to start this thread as a place for questions. I have been working with Trimble quite a bit to get this figured out. Mostly on being able to switch from Analyst to Positions. It seems like Trimble hasn't caught up to ESRI and the service pack yet, so they have workarounds for compatibility. Lets hear some of your stories with the new software.

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kg76

Does Trimble Positions require that you work with ArcSDE? We do not have SDE and have a file geodatabase with a workflow that utilizes GPS Analyst and we just found out that it will no longer be supported and are looking into Trimble Positions.

DaveChamberlin

No you do not need SDE. Positions will create a mobile cache of your data, utilizing Project Manager. You then synchronize your cache back into the database. Positions requires a file geodatabase. As long as you are up to date on your maintenance with Correct and Analyst, you can convert for free, just contact your Trimble dealer/reseller.

kg76

Thanks Dave.

We've got a trial version running and I've hit my first roadblock with differential correction.

In the Trimble Positions Release Notes it mentions that if you use "base stations that require a separate GLONASS navigation file to be downloaded, you must first make a copy of the base station and add the GLONASS navigation file as an additional navigation file address."

We use Trimble GeoXT 6000s that are capable of collecting GLONASS data. My problem is that I don't know what the "GLONASS navigation file address" is. I've tried using the file addresses that exist within the properties of the base station but those don't seem to work.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Kerry

ShahidHussain

I am new arcpad & Trimble position user I need some information

1- In checkout data when updated in field, the features added by gps stored inside AXF file or seprate SSF file?
2- Is it possible to use a Geoid file in ArcPad? If not is there any way to do it is pathfinder office?
I know about Geoid Value option in Arcpad I want to know how to use Geoid file.

RossWiseman

Hello,

Has anyone done any testing to see if the newest positions release (10.1.1) is compatible with the latest arcgis for windows mobile release (10.1.1 as well, coincidentally). I only ask because the latest documentation from trimble explicitly says 3.1.1 is required.

Thanks

jmmGeo

No you do not need SDE. Positions will create a mobile cache of your data, utilizing Project Manager. You then synchronize your cache back into the database. Positions requires a file geodatabase. As long as you are up to date on your maintenance with Correct and Analyst, you can convert for free, just contact your Trimble dealer/reseller.

Trimble Positions will work with any type of geodatabase (personal, file, enterprise). It will also work with ArcSDE services. The mobile cache you're referring to is part of Esri's ArcGIS for Windows Mobile workflow. The mobile cache can be generated from a geoprocessing tool that gets installed with ArcGIS for Windows Mobile on the desktop computer running ArcMap. This mobile cache can then be 'consumed' in Esri's Mobile Project Center (also installed with ArcGIS for Windows Mobile on the desktop) tool for authoring mobile projects. In order to fully enable an ArcGIS for Windows Mobile project for high accuracy data collection, you will need to enable your geodatabase and map document using the Trimble Positions Desktop add-in, generate a mobile cache (or publish a mobile service if using ArcGIS for Server) using Esri's geoprocessing tool, create a mobile project in Mobile Project Center (with the Positions Mobile Project Center extension installed), and deploy that project manually or shared via ArcGIS Online/Server/Portal as per Esri documentation.

This workflow was recently discussed in an Esri Live Training Seminar (http://training.esri.com/gateway/index.cfm?fa=catalog.webCourseDetail&courseID=2593).

There are also good resources on the resources.arcgis.com site (http://resources.arcgis.com/en/help/windows-mobile/app/index.html#//007v00000003000000).

The ArcPad workflow is different and does not require a mobile cache or the Mobile Project Center application as those are specific to ArcGIS for Windows Mobile. ArcPad projects enabled for high accuracy can be created directly from ArcMap running the Trimble Positions Desktop add-in.

Hope that helps,

Matt

jmmGeo

Hello,

Has anyone done any testing to see if the newest positions release (10.1.1) is compatible with the latest arcgis for windows mobile release (10.1.1 as well, coincidentally). I only ask because the latest documentation from trimble explicitly says 3.1.1 is required.

Thanks

The documentation is correct. The current version of Trimble Positions Mobile extension requires ArcGIS for Windows Mobile 3.1.

Regards,

Matt

DarrylSanchez

I hear that the new version of Trimble positions may be announced shortly. They wouldn't say when but it could be a couple of weeks maybe as soon as a month. Keep posted. I would anticipate that the new version would also run natively in Windows 7 as well as for Windows Mobile. I will be attending the first class to be hosted in Billings, Montana in May 2013. The trainer says that they will update the training for the new version if it arrives by the time their training starts.

It would be generous if Trimble would share their SDK with developers similar to ESRI shares their SDK through ESRI Developer's Network. All you would need is Visual Studio 2008 to create the apps on both sides for AG 10.1 for Windows Mobile and/or Windows 7. Programming line for line would be
minimal and would require mainly setting & configuring properties. We as heavy users of this technology like myself have been using Trimble hardware/software and ESRI software for 23 years
appreciate this type of programming.

IN KINDRED SPIRIT,
DCUBED

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jmmGeo

I hear that the new version of Trimble positions may be announced shortly. They wouldn't say when but it could be a couple of weeks maybe as soon as a month. Keep posted. I would anticipate that the new version would also run natively in Windows 7 as well as for Windows Mobile. I will be attending the first class to be hosted in Billings, Montana in May 2013. The trainer says that they will update the training for the new version if it arrives by the time their training starts.

It would be generous if Trimble would share their SDK with developers similar to ESRI shares their SDK through ESRI Developer's Network. All you would need is Visual Studio 2008 to create the apps on both sides for AG 10.1 for Windows Mobile and/or Windows 7. Programming line for line would be
minimal and would require mainly setting & configuring properties. We as heavy users of this technology like myself have been using Trimble hardware/software and ESRI software for 23 years
appreciate this type of programming.

IN KINDRED SPIRIT,
DCUBED

Hi...

Have you looked into the Trimble Positions Toolkit available to members of the Trimble Mobile GIS Developer Community? It may have what you're looking for.

Regards,

Matt

jmmGeo

Hello,

I am having difficulty with the Trimble Positions Desktop Add-In (TPDA) tool playing nice with ArcPad Data Manager toolbar within ArcMap 10.1. According to the User Guide for TPDA, I should have different options than what is being shown to me in ArcMap. I attached a screenshot of what I am receiving, but should be getting 3 options instead of the 1 "Create" option.
I have tried de-activating the tools, and restarting ArcMap, then re-activating again, but no change in anything.
It seems they are not communicating w/ each other??

Thank you in advance,

MK

Hi...

I apologize in advance for these obvious questions...

1. Can you confirm that the ArcPad Data Manager toolbar is otherwise functional? That is, can you use it to check-out data?
2. What version of Trimble Positions Desktop add-in are you using? It should be the latest.

If the answers to the above questions are "Yes" and "the latest available at trimble.com", then I suggest submitting a support issue through your dealer and/or Trimble Support.

Regards,

Matt

DarrylSanchez

Can you send me the screen shot? The email you sent me does not have the screen shot attached.

Expertuser

JosephCox

I have kind of a unique case and I was wondering if you could provide some guidance. I have been working with the fieldAppSample provided with the toolkit and I have successfully created points with custom attributes. I need to add the ability to create a point feature every second and store external sensor values as attributes. With the standard workflow creating the new DataRow and passing it to the mobileCaptureManager, and then starting and stopping a point is too slow. Is there another method of point collection available that better suits this workflow.

-Thanks,

-Joe

AnasMalkawi1

Why is it that you can't correct GPS data using more than one CORS base stations? It is common practice, especially for surveyors, to post process using multiple (typically 3) base stations to get better accuracy.

MadelineBrumberg

Why is it that you can't correct GPS data using more than one CORS base stations? It is common practice, especially for surveyors, to post process using multiple (typically 3) base stations to get better accuracy.

Amalkawi- I am also wondering the same thing. Our office is currently switching to ArcPad from TerraSync and I am having the same post-processing issue. My GPS is H-Star enabled but I am unsure of how to process with multiple base stations.

Thanks for your help!
Maddy

kg76

I just posted this in the ArcPad forum because I forgot that this thread existed...

I'm using the latest version of Trimble Positions Desktop Add-in. I found on the Trimble Positions blog that it is possible to share a Jet database between users on different desktop machines in different locations. So I created a Jet database, moved it to a location on our network, and used the Configuration Tool to set my ODBC source to the new location of Jet database. Here's the link to the blog post I'm referring to: http://positionsblog.trimble.com/?p=70 (second to last paragraph).

My problem is that when I log off of my computer and log back in, the Trimble Positions Office Database fails to reconnect and I get the following error message:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]25346[/ATTACH]

I noticed in the blog post that I need to be using a UNC path with the Jet database. I tried to input this using the Advanced button on the ODBC Microsoft Access Setup screen (below)

[ATTACH=CONFIG]25347[/ATTACH]

and then inputting it as the Default Directory (below)

[ATTACH=CONFIG]25348[/ATTACH]

but this didn't seem to change the path of the Jet database, and I still receive the error message.

Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Kerry

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kg76

Figured out that last problem. The UNC path needs to be in the "Database Name" field on the Select Database screen within the ODBC setup applet.

LaurenWoodruff

Hello,

I am having difficulty with the Trimble Positions Desktop Add-In (TPDA) tool playing nice with ArcPad Data Manager toolbar within ArcMap 10.1. According to the User Guide for TPDA, I should have different options than what is being shown to me in ArcMap. I attached a screenshot of what I am receiving, but should be getting 3 options instead of the 1 "Create" option.
I have tried de-activating the tools, and restarting ArcMap, then re-activating again, but no change in anything.
It seems they are not communicating w/ each other??

Thank you in advance,

MK

Did you ever find a solution to this problem? I am having the same issue.

Thanks

DarrylSanchez

How does one connect a GEOBEACON to ARCGIS MOBILE/TRIMBLE POSITIONS?

TrentReeder

Hello,

It seems that Trimble Positions Desktop add-in cannot locate a 'new session' after I have ran the synchronize mobile cache gp tool. After the gp tool has finished, I can see the new collected data along with the new attribute information in the TrimbleSessions feature class. So, it seems all the data is there, but when checking for new sessions, I get the popup indicating that no new sessions are available. Any ideas of what might be causing the add-in not to locate the updated sessions? Thanks.

ChadFoster

I am having the same problem as TrentR.

MicheleMattix

Hello,

It seems that Trimble Positions Desktop add-in cannot locate a 'new session' after I have ran the synchronize mobile cache gp tool. After the gp tool has finished, I can see the new collected data along with the new attribute information in the TrimbleSessions feature class. So, it seems all the data is there, but when checking for new sessions, I get the popup indicating that no new sessions are available. Any ideas of what might be causing the add-in not to locate the updated sessions? Thanks.

Have you associated the mobile project with the MXD? After created the mobile project in MPC, you must go back into the MXD and associate the two. It's on the Project button in the Trimble Positions Admin Window.

ChadFoster

Have you associated the mobile project with the MXD? After created the mobile project in MPC, you must go back into the MXD and associate the two. It's on the Project button in the Trimble Positions Admin Window.

I have associated the Mobile Project with the MXD and then set it as "CURRENT" per the instructions, it is at this point when I open the Desktop Positions Window and use the Handle Sessions button that I get the error message saying that there are no new session are available.

JeffJudycki

I am having troubles with the differential correction. I keep getting the following error when I attempt to correct
[ATTACH=CONFIG]26547[/ATTACH].

It appears that this could be caused by the base data not being available?? which I am thinking means the station data is available at the end of the day when it has recorded and calculated the discrepancies.

Do I need to be patient or does this need to be looked into?

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JoshEllis

I am having the same problem, arcmap can't find the session. I am using arcmap 10.1 but our server is still on 10.0. Could this be the problem?

JoshEllis

We are using positions with ArcGIS Mobile and would like to use the attachments feature but it seems that trimble positions disables this feature. Anyone else try this?

TrentReeder

I have associated the Mobile Project with the MXD and then set it as "CURRENT" per the instructions, it is at this point when I open the Desktop Positions Window and use the Handle Sessions button that I get the error message saying that there are no new session are available.

I have also associated the Mobile Project with the MXD and then set it to "CURRENT". Basically the exact process that cfoster15 has done with the same results.

KimHonetschlager

Invalid geometry error

I'm getting an "invalid geometry" error when I check the data in using Trimble Positions Desktop Add-in. I checked it out using the add-in and I used the same data and same settings on a previous day and didn't get an error. Points are working, but when I collected a half-dozen arcs with the Add GPS Vertices Continuously tool, all but one had the invalid geometry error. I'm just walking on a sidewalk and picking up my route. I don't see any difference between the arc that has valid geometry and the ones that don't. What does this error mean?

I'm using ArcPad 10. I've got Trimble Positions ArcPad Extension on a Juno 3D and I'm using ArcGIS for Desktop Advanced 10.1 in the office. The data are in a personal geodatabases.

Does anyone know of a Trimble Positions tutorial or crib sheet? The user manual is quite weak. (Sorry for the cross-posting, but I've received no answers in the ArcPad forum.)

Thanks,
Kim

AlisonWalker

Invalid geometry error

I'm getting an "invalid geometry" error when I check the data in using Trimble Positions Desktop Add-in. I checked it out using the add-in and I used the same data and same settings on a previous day and didn't get an error. Points are working, but when I collected a half-dozen arcs with the Add GPS Vertices Continuously tool, all but one had the invalid geometry error. I'm just walking on a sidewalk and picking up my route. I don't see any difference between the arc that has valid geometry and the ones that don't. What does this error mean?

I'm using ArcPad 10. I've got Trimble Positions ArcPad Extension on a Juno 3D and I'm using ArcGIS for Desktop Advanced 10.1 in the office. The data are in a personal geodatabases.

Thanks,
Kim

Hi Kim,

I have a couple users having the exact same issue, and I have not been able to get to the bottom of it. Maybe we can compare and see if we can find the common thread that might be causing this?

- What is your OS? I initially thought it had something to do with Positions' trouble running on XP.
- Were you previously running GPS Analyst on that computer?
- Were you running an older version of Positions Desktop at some point? What version are you running now?
- When you click on one of those Invalid Geometry features, and then click the View Positions button, is there anything in there? Or is it just blank?
- Is this happening even before you differentially correct? Or is it only after differential correction?

I would be very interested in any info you can share.

Alison

KimHonetschlager

Hi Kim,

I have a couple users having the exact same issue, and I have not been able to get to the bottom of it. Maybe we can compare and see if we can find the common thread that might be causing this?

- What is your OS? I initially thought it had something to do with Positions' trouble running on XP.
- Were you previously running GPS Analyst on that computer?
- Were you running an older version of Positions Desktop at some point? What version are you running now?
- When you click on one of those Invalid Geometry features, and then click the View Positions button, is there anything in there? Or is it just blank?
- Is this happening even before you differentially correct? Or is it only after differential correction?

I would be very interested in any info you can share.

Alison

Alison,

Here are the specs: Win. 7 Professional. Yes, I previously ran GPS Analyst, but this is the first version of Positions that I've used. Positions Desktop Add-In v. 10.1.0.3.

The data are definitely there. When I select an arc and "View Positions" it shows up. On my first session I collected just 4 arcs, but they all imported without error. Then I collected 8 arcs over 2 different sessions (I don't think I changed any settings). Only one arc imported successfully, the others all have the "Invalid geometry" error. I thought at first that it was because I had interrupted the streaming to collect a point, but that didn't prove to be the problem. I get the errors before I differentially correct. The points I collected all look fine.

Thanks,
Kim

AlisonWalker

Thanks Kim,

I guess the first thing I should have asked is if you are setting any accuracy requirements when you set up the project. These guys are not, but if you are, then that may be the problem.

So these users that I am working with also had GPS Analyst on their computers recently, and given the other problems I have seen with that, I wonder if there might be something there. I will investigate this one further and see if I can come up with something.

Might not be the same issue though because when they click on a feature and click View Positions, nothing is listed in the window where you should see information about all the individual positions. It is just blank... which explains why they get the Invalid Geometry error, but not why it happens to begin with.

The one thing you mention is that with a smaller amount of line features, it worked fine and when you collected more, then you got this issue. These users are many times collecting 30 or more line features in one session, and I wonder if this might be causing problems? But honestly, I'm just grasping at straws there. Wondering if you could reproduce the same behavior again.

Trimble asked if you could reproduce the issue using a QuickProject instead of your own database. Then it is easier for them to rule out an issue with the database itself.

I'll keep you updated on any additional info I can dig up.

TiffanyPuett

You may use SDE or a file gdb. The rest of your workflow depends on your project type: ArcGIS Mobile, ArcPad, Terrasync, or Terraflex. What Dave is referring to is for ArcGIS Mobile.

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