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Scene Viewer New Functionality- How to Edit to Upload 3D models in Web Scene?

Amanda.Huber@threeriversparks.org_trpd

Hello Scene Viewer Team,

We're very excited for the new capability to upload 3D Models into the scene viewer. We have lots of OBJ files and are excited to test it out.

I watched your video tutorial in the the ArcGIS Online June 2023 Update announcement but it's uncear how you got to this setting/functionality:
https://www.esri.com/arcgis-blog/products/arcgis-online/3d-gis/whats-new-in-scene-viewer-june-2023/

It seems you need to have an editable scene layer to start(?)

When we try to create a scene layer from AGOL > Create Item> Scene layer it appears OBJ files aren't supported:

That being said, we're trying to understand how to get started/set up a layer like to to add our OBJ files too. (Apologies if this is an obvious answer, we're just dabbling into the world of 3D GIS now)

Thanks in advance!

Amanda Huber

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VeronikaLanders

Dear Amanda,

wow, great you are already looking into trying it out.

It is a prerequisite for this new functionality to create a new scene layer with associated feature layer that has the GLB format enabled. This option enables the new capability for format conversion that was also added as beta to ArcGIS Online just yesterday. Here is a step by step recipe to get started:

Prepare data using latest ArcGIS Pro 3.1:

Create a 3D object feature class in a file geodatabase, see ArcGIS Pro documentation "Create a 3D object feature class"
Add storage format GLB (Khronos Group glTF binary) that enables support for uploading models on the web, see ArcGIS Pro documentation "Modify a 3D object feature class"
a. Open Analysis > Tools
b. Search for and open Add 3D Formats to multipatch
c. Add .glb and run the tool
Create a zip file of the file geodatabase containing only your new 3D object feature class

Publish data using your organization on ArcGIS Online:

Upload the .zip file and publish as a feature layer, see ArcGIS Online documentation "Publish the contents of a file geodatabase"
From the published feature layer publish the scene layer, see ArcGIS Online documentation "Publish hosted scene layers"
Enable editing on the feature layer as appropriate for your workflows, see ArcGIS Online documentation "Manage hosted feature layer editing"

If there are any further questions or suggestions do feel free to reach out to our Product Manager @JasmineDu at @jdu@esri.com. We are eager to hear about your use cases and feedback during this beta phase.

Best,
Veronika

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VeronikaLanders

Dear Amanda,

Prepare data using latest ArcGIS Pro 3.1:

Create a 3D object feature class in a file geodatabase, see ArcGIS Pro documentation "Create a 3D object feature class"
Add storage format GLB (Khronos Group glTF binary) that enables support for uploading models on the web, see ArcGIS Pro documentation "Modify a 3D object feature class"
a. Open Analysis > Tools
b. Search for and open Add 3D Formats to multipatch
c. Add .glb and run the tool
Create a zip file of the file geodatabase containing only your new 3D object feature class

Publish data using your organization on ArcGIS Online:

Upload the .zip file and publish as a feature layer, see ArcGIS Online documentation "Publish the contents of a file geodatabase"
From the published feature layer publish the scene layer, see ArcGIS Online documentation "Publish hosted scene layers"
Enable editing on the feature layer as appropriate for your workflows, see ArcGIS Online documentation "Manage hosted feature layer editing"

Best,
Veronika

yigalm

That is a great capability and I was able to do it.

The process is a bit long. The best thing is to have a ready template to be used inside ArcGIS Online, and skip the Pro part.

Thanks,

Yigal

VeronikaLanders

Hi Yigal,

great to hear. And yes, these steps are only needed while we are in beta. We have it on the roadmap to support a ready to use workflow through ArcGIS Online - it will be more or less as you suggest.

Best,
Veronika

kristian_inCitu

Hi, this is a great feature 👏. Is there any plan to support the 3d model upload in API?
Thanks,
Krisztian

yigalm

Thanks for the information Veronika

VeronikaLanders

Hi Kristian,

actually 🙂 not just a plan - we released it also as a beta for the Maps SDK for JavaScript.

You can find more information in our SDK Release Notes and please feel free to reach out with your more specific questions, ideas and thoughts also through direct messages to our developer evangelist @ArnoFiva or me. Please keep in mind that this is a beta feature where documentation has room for improvement, we might still change public API and you may encounter some unexpected issues.

Thanks and looking forward,
Veronika

kristian_inCitu

Hi Veronika,

Thank you so much for the update! I'm excited to hear that the new feature is available in Maps SDK for JavaScript. Starting to explore it and hopefully provide some positive feedback. 😀

Best,
Krisztian

Klaus_B_Vestergaard

Hi Veronika.

Will this be presented in-depth at ESRIUC23, and if so which session is it planned for?
I assume I can try it on my own in the DEMO area, but where to go, ArcGIS Pro 3D or AGOL area?

Best Regards

Klaus

yigalm

Hello Klaus,

I have created a short video for it - https://fb.watch/lo_6uR7mlg/

Yigal

VeronikaLanders

Hi Klaus,

probably the best is to meet directly with @ArnoFiva at our booth. Could you send him a direct message asking to setup a meeting with you?

I'll also confirm the sessions where this will be shown during the next days - you can find all Scene Viewer sessions listed here in the blog post.

Best,
Veronika

BernardRIXEN

I tested this great idea ! It's a lot easer to update/upload 3D models.

I made it work with a dataset in wgs84 in a globale scene. Does it also work within a local scene and other coordinate systems ?

I tried to upload quite big files (>100MB), which are not uncommon, and they failed to load. Are there known limitations (max file size, max number of faces, possible unsupported features like material...) ?

By the way, when loading, a model was lying on its side. We're now able to turn it in the horizontal plane. It would be great to be able to do it in the other planes too.

Best, Bernard

VeronikaLanders

Hi Bernard,

it is also supported in local scenes for projected coordinate systems. Depending what you would like to do, a local scene is actually the best path during the beta phase as we are aware of some issues with geographical coordinate systems in our beta release.

For larger or more complex models we would be happy if you could share those with us together with their use cases - we are currently evaluating the technical and user experience limits of what we can fully support in terms of size and complexity on the web when moving out of beta while not limiting our users arbitrarily based on file size only.

I would love to hear more about your use case, especially around your requirement for switching planes. Please feel free to send me a direct message to continue this conversation or if you happen to go to the User Conference I'm sure @ArnoFiva will be happy to meet with you.

Best,
Veronika

MohamedSameeh

Hi Veronika,

Does this feature work in ArcGIS Enterprise 11.0? We tried the steps you have mentioned in our portal. We get the error "Something unexpected caused the tool to fail" when uploading the zip file to the portal.

Thanks

VeronikaLanders

Hi Mohamed,

this is not supported in ArcGIS Enterprise 11.0. We are working on landing a complete workflow with an Enterprise version to release in 2024.

Best,
Veronika

JoeEastman1

For those of us without Pro, we are kind of stuck and not able to use this new functionality. The process for getting a 3D Object enabled feature class out of Pro seems straight forward. But without that .zip file of the FGDB those without Pro are helpless.

Because the process of creating a blank 3D Object enabled feature class is so trivial, it seems that at the least perhaps Esri could share a sample .zip file of the FGDB with everything we need to upload to AGOL. Then we could publish the scene layer no problem and start using this functionality. Is it possible to get a very simple file we can use to upload and get started? I've scoured the internet for something like this but came up empty handed.

VeronikaLanders

Hi Joe,

thanks for reaching out.

Support for a ready to use workflow through ArcGIS Online is on our roadmap this year. However, we are happy to support you exploring this topic already while it is still in beta. Please send me a direct message to discuss your requirements and we can provide an appropriate workaround until the full workflow is possible.

Best,
Veronika

RossFindlayCOC

Is this still available in AGO? Since Upgrade, I can't edit my scene layer.

VeronikaLanders

Hi Ross, and all others following this new functionality

with the latest release we continue in beta for editing scene layers and are working on improving spatial reference support. This means we recommend using WGS84 when working on the globe (in global scenes) and only local scenes for editing in a projected coordinate system (including WebMercator). We currently do not plan to support Web Mercator for editing in global scenes but note that WGS84 scene layers work well together with WebMercator basemaps on the globe.

Please send me a direct message to investigate your specific case together and ensure a good way forward for your project.

Best,
Veronika

dkutkevicius_hb

Hello everyone,

I have noticed that post ArcGIS Online update this functionality is no longer working, at least for me. Can anyone confirm that this is still working?

Just now I have recreated GDB using provided guide. Published feature layer can not be added to the scene, no error appears, but the layer never completes loading. I have tried global and local scenes, I have also tried to create 3D-OFL's in projected (web mercator) and geographic (wgs84) coordinate systems, but they both did not work.

@VeronikaLanders, any ideas what might be wrong? I am attaching my zip file for anyone to test this.

BIM_ArcGIS_Online.zip

VeronikaLanders

Sounds unexpected. I'll direct message you and we'll take a look. Thanks for letting us know.

JoeEastman1

One enhancement I'd like to suggest is this. When viewing a 3D model with features from a feature layer placed inside that 3D model, you cannot select the features if you are clicking "through" the 3D model. Say for example you scan a room (floors, walls, ceiling etc) and you place features inside that room. You can see the features, because you can see through the backside of the mesh (3D dollhouse effect). But, you can't select the features because the 3D model is "in the way", if that makes sense. I'd like the user's click to be able to select any active features like we typically can on a map where all features under the click are selected.

kristian_inCitu

Hello!
I noticed this also. When I try to add the Feature Layer the loading never completes. It has this error message in browser console:
details : undefined message : "Unsupported geometry type mesh" name : "feature layer view 3d:unsupported-geometry-type"
Tried with different models but the error is the same.
@VeronikaLanders

Thanks

VeronikaLanders

Hi Kristian

This looks like you are trying to load the associated feature layer directly, rather than its scene layer. The new functionality is based on the 3D object scene layer with additional editing capabilities (through its associated feature layer).

Unfortunately, there is currently a bug that it seems like you could add the feature layer from the item browser in Scene Viewer which is not supported. This has been fixed in the upcoming release.

Please let me me know if that resolves your problem.

Best,
Veronika

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