Das ist alles neu für mich, wie man Aerial Photos verwendet. Ich habe sehr alte, die bis ins Jahr 1938 zurückreichen, und ich habe große Schwierigkeiten, dort Merkmale zu identifizieren. Ich habe sie im Maßstab 20.000 gescannt. Sie befinden sich meist in bergigen Gebieten und es fehlen die Merkmale, die ich finden könnte. Meine Frage an Sie ist, was ist die Photo Index shapefile, die ich hier habe? Es sind Punkt-Shapefiles, die den Flug zeigen, der sie aufgenommen hat. Wie kann ich sie verwenden? Ich plane, sie mit ERDAS 2016 Imagine AutoSync zu orthorectifyen. Ich glaube, ich habe etwa mindestens 3.000 davon in meinem Wald hier. Ich bin nicht wirklich sehr vertraut damit, aber ich habe online gegoogelt und einige gute Informationen gefunden. https:\/\/www.asprs.org\/a\/publications\/proceedings\/Sacramento2012\/files\/Ma.pdf http:\/\/depts.washington.edu\/pnwcesu\/reports\/J8W07110015_Final_Report.pdf Haben Sie eine Website, die darüber spricht oder einige Beispiele, die mir helfen könnten, oder kann ich sie mir ansehen?

Robert.... in 1938, to use one of your dates... * there were no digital cameras... the photos were printed on photo paper * your photos are obviously scanned from the originals * Shapefiles did not exist * and there was no gps to auto-register a digital photo (since it didn't exist) with flight coordinates... Someone scanned the photos... made the association between the photos and plane location and produce the shapefile locations which represented the flight plan.

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Was ist PhotoIndex, wofür ist es und wie benutze ich es?

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Cody Benkelman

Robert

If you start at http://esriurl.com/imageryworkflows and then look for this link

"Check out our ArcGIS Online Group for more tools"

in that Group you will find a workflow for Historical aerial photos (direct link http://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=d1b4e3afeda7405fb34578207f0ad256 ). The photo index is a valuable input, to provide ArcGIS with an approximate position for the camera location to capture each image.

By following that workflow and inputting the metadata from the photo index into the "Frames Table" you should be able to position each image on the ground, but note the accuracy will depend on whether you have other metadata e.g. for the camera model. Quoting from the documentation of the Historical Imagery workflow:

This workflow uses the Mosaic Dataset within ArcGIS (and the Frame Camera Raster Type) to manage and rectify scanned images (on-the-fly) to approximately georeference them. The Mosaic Dataset will reference the scanned image files in their original format and apply approximate orientation parameters to perform the image georeferencing. If desired, the user has the option to refine the orientation parameters as required to achieve better accuracy, but be aware the resulting product should not be considered an orthorectified image unless full aerotriangulation is applied, and an accurate DEM is used.

Cody B

DEAF_PROBERT_68

Thank you but it does not answer to my question about Photo Index. I could not find it...

PeterBecker

A photo index is a map that was typically created by the organization that originally flew the imagery that provided an overview of where the images were taken. You have to think back to what was available in the 1940's to create such an overview map. There were two main ways to create this. A) The navigator that flew the mission or someone else with knowledge of the area would mark on a map the approx location of each image or the first an last image of a run onto an existing map. A print laydown would be produced, which is really an analog mosaic of contact prints that was then photographed and some coordinates etc added. These Photo Indexes are typically kept with the films and the provider of the scanned images may be able to provide the photo index. The photo index is then typically scanned, georeferenced and digitized. The result of this process is a point feature class (or SHP file) that provide the approximate location of each photo center. These PhotoIndex files are used to initialize the creation of mosaic datasets which are the first stage in the process of georeferencing large collections of such imagery.

Note that if you want to manually georeference the images this capability is also available in ArcGIS. For some image one you have an approx location you can use the autogreoreferencing feature to automatically control points between the image to be georeferenced and an image base (such as world Imagery of other georeferenced image). Especially with old imagery finding such control can be difficult an it it advised to use the OrthoMapping capabilities available with ArcGIS desktop advanced.

DEAF_PROBERT_68

Thank you. Is there an example that can I read more about this out there on the internet like an example of what a photo index looks like etc ?

I do believe they were taught in Remote Sensing course or Image Processing course , correct ?

PeterBecker

See Aerial Photo Mosaics | The Long Term Archive

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DEAF_PROBERT_68

Thank you and it is good information but still not provide me much deeper information on how one can retrieve the point shapefrile from each aerial photography ? Doesn't make any sense to me...

DEAF_PROBERT_68

Overview of the Photo Index over the Pike and San Isabel National Forest ( See red hatch with red outline ). The points here you see is black dot color.

Zoom in smaller area and show you the attribute table.. Does not say Latitude and Longitude but How in the world did they put the point with the UTM reference ??

Here you go... and tell me i can go and find out more information..

This shapefile we have came from a contractor who does the scanning the aerial photos.

Now I select a point and use the identify tool to show me the information about that point..

Thoughts how did they do that ?

DanPatterson_Retired

The Shape field has the actual coordinate information just like any other shapefile. You can get the longitude and latitude and/or UTM coordinates using tools in ArcMap that I am sure you have used before.

Each point in that shapefile denotes an associated photo... therefore your photos on their associated rolls are the ones that belong with that point.

That does not however mean that you can see the image on screen other than by hyperlinking (a totally separate issue) or manually opening up the photo.

I suspect that what you want to do is use... Mosaic Datasets to somehow create the big 'picture' that you want to see. I suspect that the point location might be something like the centre or something else of the photo.

If you can open one of the photos AND it has real world coordinates (like utm or long/lat) then your photos are gis ready.

If you don't see real world coordinates for your photos... you have a big job ahead of you and some reading and strategizing to do to formulate a work plan... this is where contracting out is useful

DEAF_PROBERT_68

Aww. I see. I am thinking that when the flight flew up in the air and the camera took pictures below and snapshot of each photo to denote that photo ? Correct ..

DanPatterson_Retired

Robert....

in 1938, to use one of your dates...

there were no digital cameras... the photos were printed on photo paper
your photos are obviously scanned from the originals
Shapefiles did not exist
and there was no gps to auto-register a digital photo (since it didn't exist) with flight coordinates...

Someone scanned the photos... made the association between the photos and plane location and produce the shapefile locations which represented the flight plan.

DEAF_PROBERT_68

Well, here I am done with georegistration using ERDAS Imagine 2016 using AutoSync.. It is not that bad but here is the screenshot of what I did.. so I have a lot of raw aerial photos that I have to do..so it is fun !

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