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ArcHydro v ArcGIS 10

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ElleryQueen

I am also waiting for the reviews to come to upgrade to upgraded to ArcGIS 10 as this caused many issues to my system last time. When I contacted the technical team none offered me proper help, then I had to format the whole system. I just don't want such issues to happen again.

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BowmanDove

Tom,

Simply put it is not ESRI's decision. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineering, Hydrologic Engineering Center (HEC) is not a commercial entity and their development work on all HEC related H&H software is not bound by business considerations--rather operational and configuration management tied to the needs to the Corps of Engineers.

ArcHydro and the Water Resources Application Framework development, including HEC-GeoRAS/GeoHMS is a collaborative effort on the part of U.S. Governmental, Educational and ESRI Professional services. It continues apace with the needs and requirements of each participant. ESRI has proceeded with development of an ArcGIS 10 ArcHydro extension because it does make business sense. The HEC on the other hand does not yet require an ArcGIS 10 capability at this stage of the HEC-RAS and HEC-HMS projects. The ArcGIS 9.2/9.3 compliant GeoRAS 4.3/GeoHMS 4.2 and GeoHMS 5.0 developmental versions of the software are being maintained by this effort.

ESRI is not the purveyor of HEC-GeoRAS/HEC-GeoHMS, simply a collaborative partner in its development. ESRI hosts, as a public service, access the " developmental" versions of the software. The HEC retains distribution and management of the " official" versions and provides configuration management and technical support for their internal USACE offices.

I'd note that in reality, in an academic, corporate or governmental setting it is a simple matter to maintain ArcGIS 9.x and desired HEC GeoRAS or GeoHMS functionality by retaining seats of ArcGIS 9. ESRI's licensing structure facilitates this and their track record suggests they will continue to support prior versions indefinitely.

There are other commercial purveyors of preprocessors for the HEC RAS/HMS modeling systems, Aquaveo for example, that have implemented ArcGIS 10 capable versions of their software. A route the HEC has no operational need to pursue--yet.

Stuart

I like the links and complete details. I'll follow the article strategy and will share this to friends.

V_StuartFoote

@souris_boo,

Covered in this open thread, sticky at the top of the forum...

Stuart

ClaireRose

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has replied to this thread.

I also want to confirm that I was able to install ArcHydro for my ArcGIS 10, having first installed the ArcGIS Service Pack 3. I'm using Windows 7 and it installed smoothly, however, instead of getting ArcHydro from the ESRI ftp, I used this link:http://www.hec.usace.army.mil/software/hec-ras/hec-georas_downloads.html

PeterWilson

Hi Alvan

Firstly are you using the latest version of ArcHydro 2.0.1.133 You can download it from ESRI's ftp server ftp.esri.com UserName: RiverHydraulics Password: river.1114. Second suggestion is that you download Service Pack 3. I've been using ArcGIS 10 SP3 with ArcHydro 2.0.1.133 and no hassels.

Regards

AlvanKarlin

Hi. We have been using ArcGIS10 and ArcHydro 2 for quite some time, but when we installed ArcGIS10/ Service Pack 2, we seem to be having several processing issues. Has anyone else experienced this problem?

YacoubRaheem

WOW!!! You guys are rock stars! Thank you so much for the support!

The solution ended up being relatively simple... though of course it took me 8 hrs to finally narrow it down the problem!

I started with an ASTER file. It was the first file I brought in so of course the data frame was set to that. I then opened toolbox from within ArcMap and projected the ASTER file. Then I ran the terrain preprocessing steps on that projected file... that was my problem.

I needed to close ArcMap and first add the projected file, so that the Data Frame was in the spatial reference as the DEM I was processing. It seems like ArcHydro likes it when the data and the Data Frame are in the spatial reference. I guess its some issued related to reprojecting on the fly.

Some of the other silly things I tried that actually seemed to sometimes help (it definitely does seem like ArcHydro is buggy...) are to NOT keep the data in the "C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents\ArcGIS" folder, and instead keep them in a folder right on the C drive. ArcHydro perhaps doesn't like file names and extensions with spaces. Also, for some reason I was getting errors when I was projecting into Africa Albers Equal Area Conic but NOT when I was projecting into UTM 37S (Mozambique). But that was actually only a problem with the ArcHydro version that installed when I installed HEC-GeoHMS 10, not when I installed the latest ArcHydro.

Thanks again! I haven't posted on one of these forums in years and its great to know there is such immediate response!

V_StuartFoote

Yacoub,

Would add to Tom's questions which are all valid--especially clearing the Temp space between runs. Can you add more memory?

Since the Aster DEM processing runs to completion on a 64-bit Windows 7 with 4GB available RAM it suggests it is a memory management issue under your XPsp3 32-bit system. That is to say, the processing fits and runs to completion in the full 4GB user-mode memory space of a 32-bit program in 64-bit address space.

So, is your Windows XPsp3 system limited by BIOS to 2 GB RAM, and can you add RAM? Or is it a laptop that is already maxed out? Adding at least another 1GB of RAM should allow the 32-bit OS some head space to complete the processing in available 2GB per-process user-mode memory address space.

You might also need to add a /3GB flag to the boot.ini file which would expand available user address space, and allow each process its full 2GB limit--but don't set this flag unless you ARE able to add additional RAM!

Some additional tweaks of 32-bit programs to set LargeAddressAware values can be helpful to increase per-process address space beyond 2GB (notably for python.exe and pythonw.exe). But I would not pursue those just yet as it would add another variable and the existing unmodified programs run to completion under 64-bit OS in when not memory constrained.

Stuart

ThomasColson

have you deleted the contents of the windows temp folder? C:\Users\username\Local Settings\Temp
are you accessing the source data from a path with spaces in it?
have you tried performing the same function with the Arc Hydo Tools from Arc Toolbox?
Have you copied the source data to a NEW directory and started again?
How have you filled sinks? With AH fill sinks or another method?
How many catchment polygons are there? There is a limit of the number of vertices/FC's that AH can process?
Have you tried using a virtual hard drive utility like ramdisk? Sometime AH chokes because it's waiting on your incredibly slow mechanical hard drive to spit data back out.
Did you install SP3 before or after HMS/AH?
How big is your DEM? Rows? Columns?
Have you tried multiplying your DEM by some constant, say, 10000 and coverting to int? See pdf in AH download dir on this topic. Speeds things up.

YacoubRaheem

Hi,

I am running Windows XP Professional with Service Pack 3 (Pentium Dual-Core CPU, 3.07 GHz, 1.96 GB RAM). I have ArcGIS 10. I have installed the ArcGIS 10 Service Pack 3 (http://resources.arcgis.com/content/patches-and-service-packs?fa=viewPatch&PID=66&MetaID=1807).

I installed what I thought was the latest version of ArcHydro 10 version 2.01.133 from here:
ftp://RiverHydraulics:river.1114@ftp.esri.com/ArcHydro/Setup10/.

I am delineating watersheds from 30m ASTER DEMs. I go through the standard pre-processing steps (Fill Sinks, Flow Direction, Flow Accumulation, Stream Definition, Stream Segmentation, Catchment Grid Delineation, Catchment Polygon Processing). Then I get to Drainage Line Processing and I get the following error:

Error HRESULT E_fail has been returned from a call to a COM component.

I tried uninstalling ArcHydro and then installing HEC-GeoHMS 10.0 (http://www.hec.usace.army.mil/software/hec-geohms/download.html) which automatically installs ArcHydro10 version 2.0.1.125. When I go through the same process, I get the same error.

This does not happen when I run this on Windows 7 machine (Intel Core i5, 2.53 GHz, 4GB Ram, 64-bit OS).

I am mainly a user and not so much a developer...

Please help!!!

Thank you,
Yacoub
email: yacoub@stanford.edu

SurvalentTechnology

Hi, the ArcHydro team members,

I there any way which could allow ArcHydro to work with my own ArcEngine application ?

For the reason that I can't install the whole ArcGIS(or ArcMap) to the clients' computer, thus I just wanna add this ArcHydro toolbar to my own application.

Looking foward to your reply, much thanks.

PeterWilson

Hi everyone

Just an update, ArcHydro 2.0.1.47 is available from the ESRI ftp server. It has resolved a lot of the errors that I was receiving with regards to problems generating HydroID's and Adjoint Catchments. I have also seen that HEC-GeoRas and HEC-HMS are currently being updated for ArcGIS 10 and should be available this summer according to HEC's website.

A question that I have if anyone knows, will ArcHydro 2.0 final support ArcGIS 10 Terrain Datasets and Mosaic Datasets?

Regards

EmilyMcCoy

Thanks so much!

V_StuartFoote

Ron,

Answered you over on the Desktop Installation & Configuration forum.

Stuart

RonSantini

Ron,

It is a common admin problem with ArcGIS--failure to uninstall 3rd party extensions prior to the ArcGIS uninstall.

Unfortunately, Aquaveo does not publish a AHGW cleanup utility that I've come across. You might contact their technical support to ask if such a tool is available.

If not, two ways to proceed--first reinstall ArcGIS 9.x & then run the AHGW uninstaller (unpleasant since you've already loaded ArcGIS 10).

Alternative--try an uninstaller, I use CCleaner (www.piriform.com) when full package is intact, but you probably want to start with Revo Uninstaller (www.revouninstaller.com)--the Pro version is necessary for 64-bit use--the freeware version is fully functional for 32-bit systems.

Revo will perform as much of the uninstall as possible--it then finishes with a registry and configuration file cleanup with adjustable agressiveness. Following a Revo uninstall, I'll usually run through a CCleaner registry check to be sure all is good. Reboot! Then proceed with another ArcHyrdo 2.x install attempt.

Stuart

Stuart: No luck, but here is what I have done:

1. Uninstalled ArcGIS Desktop 10
2. Reinstalled ArcGIS 9.3
3. Reinstalled Aquaveo AHGW
4. Uninstalled Aquaveo AHGW
5. Uninstalled ArcGIS9.3
6. Ran ApRegWorks
7. Rechecked with ApRegWorks - Registry for ApFramework and ArcHydro empty
8. Ran Uniblue Registry Booster to clean up registry
9. Reinstalled ArcGIS 10
10. Rebooted computer
11. Attempted to reinstall ArcHydro2
12. Received Message: "Setup has detected a previous version of Arc Hydro Tools installed on the system"

So I am not sure where to go from here.

V_StuartFoote

Ron,

It is a common admin problem with ArcGIS--failure to uninstall 3rd party extensions prior to the ArcGIS uninstall.

Unfortunately, Aquaveo does not publish a AHGW cleanup utility that I've come across. You might contact their technical support to ask if such a tool is available.

If not, two ways to proceed--first reinstall ArcGIS 9.x & then run the AHGW uninstaller (unpleasant since you've already loaded ArcGIS 10).

Alternative--try an uninstaller, I use CCleaner (www.piriform.com) when full package is intact, but you probably want to start with Revo Uninstaller (www.revouninstaller.com)--the Pro version is necessary for 64-bit use--the freeware version is fully functional for 32-bit systems.

Revo will perform as much of the uninstall as possible--it then finishes with a registry and configuration file cleanup with adjustable agressiveness. Following a Revo uninstall, I'll usually run through a CCleaner registry check to be sure all is good. Reboot! Then proceed with another ArcHyrdo 2.x install attempt.

Stuart

RonSantini

Stuart, I am the administrator, so when I log in, I log in as administrator. I will try your suggestions. Thanks!

I was able to run ApRegWork successfully. It removed all items related to ApFramework9 and ArcHydro. However, we I went to install ArcHydro2, I again got the message that a previous version of Arc Hydro Tools is installed. I have searched throughout directories and can't find an instance of ApFrame9, ArcHydro, ArcHydroGW.

I still have the ArcHydro Grounwater installer, AHGW, still listed in the Porgrams & Features, but I cannot remove it because it is looking for a file related to ArcGIS 9.3, which was removed when I installed ArcGIS10.

Do you have any other suggestions

RonSantini

Ron,

Did you bypass UAC by running the .exe from a command prompt "Run as Administrator", or better have you activated the Administrator account and run the ESRI.APWR.ApRegWork.exe clean-up from that account?

Stuart

Stuart, I am the administrator, so when I log in, I log in as administrator. I will try your suggestions. Thanks!

V_StuartFoote

Ron,

Did you bypass UAC by running the .exe from a command prompt "Run as Administrator", or better have you activated the Administrator account and run the ESRI.APWR.ApRegWork.exe clean-up from that account?

Stuart

RonSantini

@ronsantini,

Suspect you may have had a DLL still registered when you deleted a folder.

Below are the removal instructions from the current Readme03152011.doc. Note step 5 and use of the ApRegWork utility. This tool is custom built to unregister the Water Resources components.

Stuart

Stuart, Looks like I spoke to soon! ApRegWork worked on my laptop, which is running Windows XP, but it would not delete the files on my desktop running Windows 7 (See Attachment). ApRegWork identifies all the registry files. When I select "Delete All" it does not delete the files. The log file just shows what files have been found containing the searching text. I'm not sure where to go from here. Any suggestions as to why these registry entries are not being deleted on my Windows 7machine?

Thanks!

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RonSantini

@ronsantini,

Suspect you may have had a DLL still registered when you deleted a folder.

Below are the removal instructions from the current Readme03152011.doc. Note step 5 and use of the ApRegWork utility. This tool is custom built to unregister the Water Resources components.

Stuart

Stuart, Thanks. Your instructions worked. By the way, is there a Tutorial for ArcHydro 2.0, or can I use the 1.3 or 1.4 tutorial?

V_StuartFoote

@ronsantini,

Suspect you may have had a DLL still registered when you deleted a folder.

Below are the removal instructions from the current Readme03152011.doc. Note step 5 and use of the ApRegWork utility. This tool is custom built to unregister the Water Resources components.

Stuart

Task 0. Remove legacy WR applications

If you have any of the legacy WR applications released before 2/15/05 you will have to uninstall all of them, and reinstall the new suite of applications. The recommended procedure is the following:
[INDENT]1) Close all Arc applications (ArcMap, ArcCatalog, ArcToolbox)
2) In Control Panel in Add/Remove Programs, remove ALL water resources applications including: Arc Hydro Tools, HEC-GeoRAS, HEC-GeoHMS, Water Utilities Application Framework (ApFramework), HEC-GeoDozer, XML Exchange. Which components are installed depends on the applications you have installed. If you look in the ESRI installation directory (usually c:\Program Files\ESRI) you will see some of the installed applications.
3) After running the remove application and accepting automated removal, check each of the directories in the application installation directories mentioned in step 2. If any of the bin directories contain a dll, first unregister the dll and then delete the file.
4) Delete ALL directories that contained the old applications.
5) Recommended �?? run a registry cleaning application to ensure there are no �??hanging�?� components left. You can use the ApRegWork application available on the ftp site as follows:[INDENT]a. Copy the folder ApRegWork from ftp://RiverHydraulics:river.1114@ftp.esri.com and run the setup.
b. Browse to start>all programs>apregwork>apregwork.exe
This will open a registry cleanup window.
c. Keep all defaults and select as Searching Text the application you want to cleanup (ARCHYDRO/ApFramework/HECGEOHMS/HECGEORAS) and click search. This may take 5-10 minutes depending on your computer.
d. Once the search is done (Searching Test is green again), right-click in the panel showing the registry keys found and select Delete All.[/INDENT][/INDENT]
If you have a newer application (released after 2/15/05) that you are updating, you need to uninstall only that application unless a different procedure is specified with the application instructions.

RonSantini

I am attempting to load ArcHydro 2.0 on my computer that had ArcHydro1.3 installed. I followed the instructions to uninstall Arc Hydro Tool 9 as follows:

Uninstalled ArcHydro Tools 9
Uninstalled Water Wtilities Application Framework 9
Cleaned old directories (C:\ProgramFiles\ESRI\WaterUtils|ApFramework9)

I then ran the installer for ArcHydro 2 and got the message:

"Setup has detected a previous version of Arc Hydro Tools installed on the system.
The previous version of Arc Hydro Tools must be uninstalled before continuing with this installation.
Please uninstall Arc Hydro Tools by using the Add/Remove Programs in the Control Panel".

I then went into the Registry to delete the key: HKEY_LOCAL_NACHINE\SOFTWARE\ESRI\Applications\WaterUtilities\ApFramework9

When I did that the only ESRI key present was:
HKEY_LOCAL_NACHINE\SOFTWARE\ESRI\Desktop10.0

Can anyone help understand/find the file the installer is referring to?

Thanks!

AthenaWong

I'm having some trouble here: I've failed to generate Catchment grid delineation (under Terrain Preprocessing). The error message I get is: 000049 : Failed to build attribute table
I'm recalculated my raster so that it is single band, integer type but still cannot build my attribute table.

Can someone gimme a hand at this?

Thanks in advance!

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AthenaWong

Many thanks guys!! exactly what i'm looking for 😃

V_StuartFoote

Emily,

Looks like your link to the CRWR blog item on the MODIS16 project got trashed. The CRWR Modis Toolkit is an ArcGIS 10 ArcPy site library based Python toolbox.

Anyway, have a look at the rest of the thread and you'll see that ArcHydro extension for Desktop 10 has been available for a while and is being actively refined by Dean Djokic and team.

Stuart

EmilyMcCoy

From what I understand, there are no plans to forward engineer Arc Hydro, TAUDEM, HEC-GeoRAS, or HEC-GeoHMS to compatibility with 10. So those of us in the H&H service lines will be sticking with 9.3 for quite some time. This is similar to when ESRI moved from 3.2 to 8.0: note how there are still people using 3.2 because of the investment people made in developing tools to work on the AV 3.x platform. That many more people have made a much more substantial investment in developing tools that work on the 9.x platform, and I suspect that very few people will be migrating to 10 that depend on 9.3 to generate income for them. Severl pals of mine had their IT dept push 10 out like the week it came out, and have had all sorts of problems going back to 9.3 so they could finish projects.

Gah Tom, you're such a buzzkill! What a dilemma for those of us with iPads and those that want to use new tools such as MODIS http://data.crwr.utexas.edu/blog/news/historical-evapotranspiration-data/:)

Guess I'll delay the upgrade till ArcHydro comes to 10 and proves its not going to be a big mess of headaches!

Hope you are well Tom!

Emily

V_StuartFoote

Matthew,

You've given the correct link in your post. Follow the ftp session down into the 2.0.1.15 folder and right mouse on the ArcHydroTools.msi and use "Save link as" (FF, or Save Target as for IE). Download to a good spot on the system.

Run the Microsoft Installer: either right mouse --> Install, or launch cmd.exe, navigate to the download folder, and execute "msiexec.exe /I ArcHydroTools.msi /qb"

As with any software installation you must have Administrators privilege to do the installation--is that the case in your school lab?

When installed, you activate the ArcHydro Tools from ArcMap 10 via
[INDENT]Customize --> Toolbars --> ArcHydro Tools
[/INDENT]
For full function of some tools, you will need to activate the "Spatial Analyst" and "3D Analyst" extensions from the Customize --> Extensions check boxes.

Stuart

MatthewHenington

An alpha version of Arc Hydro 2.0 for ArcGIS 10 can be downloaded from ESRI ftp site.

ftp.esri.com
login: RiverHydraulics
password: river.1114
or

ftp://RiverHydraulics:river.1114@ftp.esri.com/ArcHydro/Setup10/

This is work in progresss and should be treated with care. If you choose to install it, you only need to run ArcHydroTools.msi after installing ArcGIS10 (from the ArcHydro/setup10/2.0.0.34 or similar version directory). ApFramework will be installed as well.

Notes

- Most Terrain Preprocessing/Terrain Morphology functions have been migrated and are avalaible as geoprocessing tools in the Arc Hydro toolbox and functions in the Arc Hydro toolbar.

- Network tools: Set Flow Direction is available as a geoprocessing tool in this release.

- Attributes: Compute Local Parameters is available in the menu

- Main delineation tools are available

You may report any issue by sending an e-mail to archydro@esri.com

Also, if you are getting some errors, try to turn off the background processing when running the geoprocessing tools -this is still being tested as well (using Geoprocessing > Geoprocessing options).

Christine Dartiguenave
Arc Hydro Release Manager
ESRI Water Resources Team

Okay I'm a student and I installed this on one of our computers in the university lab that runs Arc10, I'm having a little trouble finding the extension to add it in to 10. Any suggestions?

Matthew Henington
Louisiana Tech University GIS Department

MustafaELHalwagy

OK, thank you very much.

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