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An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

AlecAyers — Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:37:31 GMT

Hello,

I am a PhD student in the UK and my project currently involves assessing how a certain species selects habitats. One variable of mine that is incredibly important (towards the species) regards water systems (mostly rivers and streams). So, I have a DEM (30 metre resolution) and from that, I was able to create a river and stream map for the area (as there is no available data on these variables for that region). Here is exactly what I did:

got the DEM (30 m resolution and used fill)
used the fill data to get flow direction
flow direction to flow accumulation
used raster calculator to assess accumulation grid (log10 ("accumulation grid data")
took that log10 accumulation data (thus showing the smaller drainage areas)
considered hill slope via raster calculator CON(log10data >=2, log10data)

So, that actually worked for the most part. I forgot to mention that there is an old map with river and stream systems and they match up very well. However! There is one huge issue. It turns out..the saltpans in the area (which I guess are very flat, although, I never visited them) have been completely distorted. When I complete the watershed analysis, it essentially, creates a huge (and weird) region where the saltpans are filled. I have asked a GIS specialist at my department and he was unsure how to fix this. my projections are correct, and in so far, I cannot think on how to fix this. I'v attached some photos (and links to photos) below that display my results. I have been pondering about this for quite some time and any suggestions would be incredibly appreciated.

these are the saltpans

[here is the flow direction pic]http://i.imgur.com/ukuOEoT.jpg[/img]

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

DanPatterson_Retired — Fri, 19 Feb 2016 20:35:52 GMT

From the help

Flow Direction—Help | ArcGIS for Desktop

It may be important to consider that in the flatish areas, there may be some confusion

If a cell has the same change in z-value in multiple directions and is not part of a sink, the flow direction is assigned with a lookup table defining the most likely direction. See Greenlee (1987).

Did you compute the optional output drop raster to assess...

"The drop raster returns the ratio of the maximum change in elevation from each cell along the direction of flow to the path length between centers of cells, expressed in percentages."

It may be worth examining/isolating the areas that you know aren't going to yield similar results to those with more pronounced terrain variations.

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

BenjaminMittler — Fri, 19 Feb 2016 20:56:23 GMT

I'm not entirely sure that the flow direction grid is incorrect. The way the salt flats are represented look very similar to how a water body would be represented, which makes sense. A lot of what was within the salt flats may have been filled in as a depression.

Also, i would look at the year the DEM was created vs the year the imagery was created. It looks like there is some sort of levee or road through the salt marsh that i'm not seeing in the aerial imagery. Can i get a long/lat for the location of this image.

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

AlecAyers — Fri, 19 Feb 2016 21:48:46 GMT

Thank you so much for your response.

I am pretty new at GIS so could you explain how to isolate these areas? (even if its from a youtube video or something)

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

AlecAyers — Fri, 19 Feb 2016 21:57:58 GMT

Overall,

the flow direction is actually very much spot on! (which I am happy to say about!)

It is only for this region..and I guess, I only really notice that the salt pans stick out when I calculate the flow direction (as it is more pronounced).

Since I am a novice at GIS, I can only give you a datapoint for one of the collared focal species while he is near the salt flats. here it is:

X 737394.8092

Y 7458358.817

I am working in South Africa (WGS 1984 UTM 35S)

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

ChrisSmith7 — Fri, 19 Feb 2016 22:15:38 GMT

Here's the coords in dd if it helps anyone:

-22.95694, 29.31528

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

AlecAyers — Fri, 19 Feb 2016 23:14:02 GMT

thank you, Chris

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

AlecAyers — Sat, 20 Feb 2016 17:36:00 GMT

Hello,

I am still attempting how to work with this data to create this river and stream layer. In so far, no luck 😕

I tried several things including going into Raster Calculator and using flow acceleration > 3000, 2000, and 4000.

None of them had any impact on the smaller streams and only flow acceleration > 2000 got rid of the salt flats (with the expense of the smaller streams).

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

BenjaminMittler — Sun, 21 Feb 2016 01:00:59 GMT

How are you sure that the flow direction pattern you are seeing for the salt flats isn't correct?

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

PeterWilson — Sun, 21 Feb 2016 10:33:57 GMT

Hi Alec

I'm a GIS Engineer at Aurecon South Africa, Cape Town and I specialize in hydrological and hydraulic modelling. If you could send me shapefile or kml file of the extent of your study area, I'd like to see if I can help you out.

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

AlecAyers — Sun, 21 Feb 2016 10:52:06 GMT

Thank you so much!

could you message me your email address?

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

PeterWilson — Sun, 21 Feb 2016 22:30:09 GMT

Hi Alec

If you can send me an LinkedIn invite @ Peter Wilson I'll accept and send you my details. I don't want to post my work email address on the net.

Regards

Re: An issue regarding Flow Direction from a PhD student

PeterWilson — Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:18:58 GMT

Hi Paul

I've not heard back from you, have you come right with the following?