topic Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems in Water Resources Questions

HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

ChristianRomeyn1 — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 23:11:51 GMT

I am running ArcGIS Desktop 9.3.4000 on Windows XP. I recently installed Hec-GeoHMS 9.2.93.16 on my machine. It did not work correctly so aftre reading the forums I uninstalled all legacy components (including GeoRAS), cleaned the registry, and reinstalled. It took multiple tries but I finally got it to work with ApFramework9 3.1.0.42 and ArcHydro 1.4.0.124. Today I tried to reinstall Hec-GeoRAS and received the error "An incorrect version of ApFramework9 was found on the system. HEC-GeoRAS requires Apframework9 version 3.1.0.93. Please uninstall the existing ApFramework9 version and restart this installation." If I do this I suspect that Hec-GeoHMS will not work because of incompatibility with 3.1.0.93. It seems ridiculous that you would have to uninstall and reinstall every time you switched from GeoRAS to GeoHMS. Does anybody have any insight? Are versions of HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS that use the same ApFramework9?

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

V_StuartFoote — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 03:11:18 GMT

Romeyn,

You were close to getting it all correct. Unfortunately your version of HEC-GeoRAS was newer than your installed HEC-GeoHMS version. The four Water Resources Applications--ApplicationFramework9, ArcHydro, HEC-GeoHMS, HEC-GeoRAS are all developed/maintained in sync meaning that you need to change all as you update any component.

At the Water Resources group ftp site, ftp://RiverHydraulics:river%2E1114@ftp.esri.com, you need to closely read the latest release notes and installation procedures (it is the ReadmeMMDDYYYY.doc document).

As I said, you were close, the last build date for the ArcGIS 9.3.1 Water Resources Applications was 10/8/2010; so for ArcGIS Desktop 9.3.1 SP2 (build 4000) you can use either the v4.2.93.51 or v5.0.0.67 of GeoHMS from that build date. In addition to the latest development version of GeoHMS, the 10/8/2010 builds would install ArcHydro, v1.4.0.253, and the correct build of the ApplicationFramework9, v3.1.0.93.

You can then follow that with another install attempt of HEC-GeoRAS v4.3.1.16 from that build date (built/posted the 15th) which will accept the installed v3.1.0.93 ApplicationFramework9.

Poking around in the folders for each water application will help you to verify you've got matching build versions--look at the build dates while following along in the release notes/install procedures document.

Yes its confusing, but these Water Resources development apps are on the bleeding edge and so require that you follow along with the development process as you put them to use.

Stuart

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

ChristianRomeyn — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:58:35 GMT

Stuart,
I reinstalled per your last instructions and geoRAS has been working for the last few days. I just went to do a demo of GeoHMS for Coworker, using the American River example project, and when I go to generat project I am getting the attached error message. Any ideas?
Chris

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

V_StuartFoote — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:59:54 GMT

Chris,

Good to know that you've made some progress. But as to your HECGeoHMS9 error:

System.Runtime.InteropServices.COMException (0x8004005): Error HRESULT E_Fail has been returned from a call to a COM component.
at ESRI.ArcGIS.Geoprocessing.GeoProcessorClass.GetEnvironmentValue(String environmentName)
at HECGeoHMS9.GenerateProject.UpdateAHD(String rasterLocation, String vectorLocation, String ahProjName)

Were you working with an old HMS project geodatabase or did you run preprocessing from scratch and setup a new HMS Project? It looks to me like it could be in the AppFramework, but I just don't do enough work in the Water Resources extensions to be much help.

If you're up for it you might try the 9.3.1 specific v5.0 release of GeoHMS from the ftp site to see if that clears the error (but you'd also need to bring up the GeoRAS version as well).

For more assistance from anyone on the forum, you'll need to post back OS and specific release versions (you said you're on ArcGIS 9.3.1 SP2 build 4000); post the build dates and version for ArcHydro, GeoHMS and GeoRAS.

Stuart

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

ChristianRomeyn — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:44:54 GMT

Stuart,
Currently I'm running AecGIS Desktop 9.3.1 Service Pack 2 (Build 4000), Arc Hydro Tool 9 (version 1.2.0.253GeoRAS 4.3.93, GeoHMS 4.2.93, Water utilities Application Framework version 3.1.0.93. Is there a more recent set? What is the date on the FTP server for the files that I should try?
Thanks,
Chris

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

V_StuartFoote — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:29:46 GMT

Chris,

What OS flavor--WinXP, Vista or Win7, 32 or 64bit?

Also, use the add/remove program app or a utility, i.e. CCleaner, to identify which version of the water resource utilities you've loaded.

In doing the updates. I've found it most effective to remove all Water Resources App components and start the install fresh. So AppFramework, ArcHydro9, HECGeoHMS and HECGeoRAS should all come off. Use CCleaner or Revo Uninstaller. Also, delete the program folders \ESRI\WaterUtils and \HEC to be sure your starting fresh. Of course protect any project folders if you've put them in those directories.

Use an ftp tool rather than your web browser to review the directories at the Water Resources ftp site, I prefer FileZilla ( http://filezilla-project.org ). It makes navigating, file review and downloads much easier. Unfortunately it gets a little confusing because the ReadmeMMDDYYYY.doc is sometimes a little behind and while the table of latest releases is pretty current the dated release notes are not annotated with the specific build numbers they refer to.

So, looking at the support site, as of today -- 20101118:

ApFramework9 v3.1.0.93 was built on 20100914 and is the version currently bundled with installers for ArcHydroTools9, HEC GeoHMS and HEC GeoRAS.

HEC GeoHMS for 9.3-9.3.1 v4.2.93.51 was built on 20101008

HEC GeoRAS for 9.3.1 v4.3.1.21 was just built on 20101116 -- is listed on the ftp site as .20 (rather its folder has not been renamed)

In addition to the ApFramework9 v3.1.0.93, the v4.2.93.51 GeoHMS install loads ArcHydroTools for 9.3.1 v1.4.0.253 built on 20101008

The development release of HEC GeoHMS for 9.3.1, v5.0.0.69 was built on 20101111. It will install the same v3.1.0.93 of AppFramework9, but it installs ArcHydroTools9 for 9.3.1 v1.4.0.255 built on 20101015.

The water resource ftp site does not have the ArcHydroTools9 v 1.4.0.255 posted, just .253.

To get you current with latest patches and updates uninstall all, and load the v5.0.0.69 build of HEC GeoHMS with its bundled ApFramework and ArcHydroTools9. Run that against the demo project and see if the error clears. You can reload HEC GeoRAS v4.3.1.21 when convenient.

Stuart

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

ChristianRomeyn — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:01:11 GMT

Stuart,
I'm using filezilla. What is the address? when I got to ftp.esri.com I ended up in a /pub folder that doesn't seem to have any of the files.

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

V_StuartFoote — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:19:36 GMT

Use these credentials provided by ESRI in setting up your connection from FileZilla:

http://forums.arcgis.com/threads/8274-ArcHydro-in-ArcGIS-10?p=35289#post35289
    ftp.esri.com
    login: RiverHydraulics
    password: river.1114

Stuart

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

ChristianRomeyn — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:35:18 GMT

Stuart,
I uninstalling all versions of everything. I did not insatll GeoRAS. I installed GeoHMS v5.0.0.69. When I open ArcMAP the GeoHMS Main View Toolbar can't be found. When I go to Tools>Customize the only option is to add a HEC-GeoRAS toolbar, there are not two choices like there used to be. Thus I can only process all my layers I cannot create a HMS project. I uninstalled all again and then I reinstalled GeoHMS 4.2.93.51. I am still getting the same error. I'm on Windows XP service pack 2.

Chris

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

ChristianRomeyn — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:55:30 GMT

Stuart,
This is what Revo says is left over from Apframwork. Which boxes do I check?

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

V_StuartFoote — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:07:01 GMT

Chris,

As I said, I don't work too much in the HEC tools, but I think at v5 they merged it all onto one GeoHMS toolbar.

Also, your problem definitely could be your OS at XPsp2, any reason no install of sp3? Link to download here:
[INDENT]http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyId=5B33B5A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en[/INDENT]

Stuart

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

ChristianRomeyn — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:09:34 GMT

Stuart. I unloaded everthing with REVO. Deleted the registry items. Checked to see if ESRI\Waterutils was there and it was not. I also deleted the program files\HEC\HEC-GeoHMS folder. I then installed GeoHMS v5.0.0.69 and then started ArcMAP. I added the Archydro tool box and then went to tools>cutomize and got the attached popup. There is no main view toolbar so I can't generate a project. I will now uninstall, clean and try installing GeoHMS 4.2.93.51. Thoughout all of this I have not tried to insatll GeoRAS. Thank god I quit my job and I only have to suffer with this for a few more days. Althogh I don't want to leave my firm with this issue unresolved.

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

V_StuartFoote — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:13:41 GMT

Chris,

Stuart,
This is what Revo says is left over from Apframwork. Which boxes do I check?

Check at the CLSID box... {5881A257... from there down and delete.

Stuart

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

ChristianRomeyn — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:38:05 GMT

Stuart,
Indeed you are correct they have combined the toolbarsin V5.0. As Homer says "Doh!" I got it to work, tomorrow I'll install Ras and hopefully have it correct. Thanks again for all the help. If you're ever in Colorado I'll buy you a beer.

Chris

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

ChristianRomeyn — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:44:00 GMT

GeoHMS v5.0.0.69 seemd to fix the problem and I was able to run the example problem. Thanks again for all the help.

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

HendrikAmo — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:31:39 GMT

Hello,

I am trying to run HecGeoRAS on a computer that I have just reinstalled Windows on (due to hard drive failure).

Here are the specs: Windows XP SP3
                             ArcGIS 9.3.1 SP2 (build 4000)
                             ArcHydro 1.4.2.253 (downloaded from ftp today and installed)
                             HecGeoRAS 4.3.1.20 (downloaded from ftp today and installed)

My Problem is the HecGeoRAS toolbar doesn't show up in ArcGIS.
The ArcHydro one does.

I've done complete cleanups and installs - several times to no avail...

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Thank you,

Tina

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

V_StuartFoote — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:43:34 GMT

Tina,

If the HEC-GeoRAS is not showing up in the View --> Toolbars menu, check see if it is listed in the Tools --> Customize --> Toolbars tab.

If it is, check it there--and then should show in the View --> Toolbars.

But if it is also not listed in Customize, then something went amiss with the HEC-GeoRAS install.

My suggestion would be to uninstall and remove all traces of the Water Resource Utilities, and start again.

I've found that with everything cleaned, picking up the ArcHydro9 and AppFramework9 bundled with the HEC-GeoHMS download (either v.5.0.0.69 or v.4.2.93.51) seems to go smoother. I prefer v5.0.0.69 HEC GeoHMS as I think the documentation is better.

Once all three of those are installed, then do the HEC GeoRAS (v.4.3.1.21) install. The ftp site is labled .20 but internaly it is v.21--also use an FTP client rather than your web browser and check the CRC hashes.

Note: HEC-GeoHMS v5.0.0.69 bundles ArcHydro v.1.4.0.255; v4.2.93.51 bundles ArcHydro v.1.4.0.253 which will not work with v.5.0.0.69 of GeoHMS. Not obvious, but need to pay attention to the build/folder dates on the ftp site compared against the ReadmeMMDDYYYY.doc notes. Unfortunately the notes are sometimes a little behind.

Stuart

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

GregDobson — Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:57:58 GMT

I am running ArcGIS Desktop 9.3.4000 on Windows XP. I recently installed Hec-GeoHMS 9.2.93.16 on my machine. It did not work correctly so aftre reading the forums I uninstalled all legacy components (including GeoRAS), cleaned the registry, and reinstalled. It took multiple tries but I finally got it to work with ApFramework9 3.1.0.42 and ArcHydro 1.4.0.124. Today I tried to reinstall Hec-GeoRAS and received the error "An incorrect version of ApFramework9 was found on the system. HEC-GeoRAS requires Apframework9 version 3.1.0.93. Please uninstall the existing ApFramework9 version and restart this installation." If I do this I suspect that Hec-GeoHMS will not work because of incompatibility with 3.1.0.93. It seems ridiculous that you would have to uninstall and reinstall every time you switched from GeoRAS to GeoHMS. Does anybody have any insight? Are versions of HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS that use the same ApFramework9?

I am having similar issues, though I need to install ApFramework9 3.1.0.42 and I can't find it, any suggestions? Thanks!

Greg Dobson
UNC Asheville
gdobson@unca.edu

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

V_StuartFoote — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:58:30 GMT

Greg,

AppFramework9 3.1.0.42 is bundled with the HEC packaged distribution releases. You can't mix-n-match with the developmental versions.

I would strongly recommend that you not try to maintain the Water Resource Applications separately. Rather, you will have best outcome if each reload cycle you 1) remove all prior WR components; and 2) install a current developmental build of either HEC GeoRAS or HEC GeoHMS from the ESRI ftp site--not the HEC packaged installer.

Using the current developmental builds, HEC GeoRAS will install the correct AppFramework9 and GeoRAS. While HEC GeoHMS will install AppFramework9, ArcHydro9 and GeoHMS. These builds are in sync and will inter operate.

I don't recommend it, but you can pick up just the latest AppFramework9 alone from the ESRI maintained ftp site at:

[INDENT]/ApFramework/Setup9.3_9.3.1/3.1.0.93[/INDENT]

Also closely read the site notes -- currently Readme11152010.doc -- on the root to the site.

Use these credentials provided by ESRI in setting up your ftp connection. Use an FTP client like FileZilla:

http://forums.arcgis.com/threads/827...5289#post35289
ftp.esri.com
login: RiverHydraulics
password: river.1114

Alternatively, you can work with the HEC distributed packages, but they will not be current and will not be inter operable with current ArcHydro release. Also ArcHydro10 is not compatible with HEC GeoHMS9 if you were looking at that.

Again, read the site notes at the ftp site to see how they all are interconnected.

Post back with some detail on what you are attempting and if you have specific issues.

Stuart

Re: HEC-GeoRAS and HEC-GeoHMS ApFramework9 installation Problems

ChristianRomeyn — Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:49:03 GMT

Stuart, I am now at a new job and I'm trying to get GeoRAS to run so I can show my boss its benifits. I am running ArcGIS 9.3 (Build 1850) which is an evaluation edition. I have tried to install HEC-GeoRAS 4.3.93 which installs WaterUtilities Apllicaiton Framework (ApFramwork) 3.1.0.103. Part of the application works but other parts do not. I can't seem to import my resutls. I'm thinking that this has to do with the version of HEC-GeoRAS and ApFramwork I am using. Could you provide any insight? Here is the error I am getting:

System.NotImplementedException: The method or operation is not implemented.
at ESRI.ArcGIS.Geodatabase.IFeatureClass.get_AliasName()
at HECGeoRAS.MiscUtil.ApplySymbology2RASResultLayers(Int32 numDesiredClasses, String sVelocityField, String sIceField, Int32 iVelocityMarkerSize, Int32 iIceMarkerSize, IMap pMap, IMxDocument pMxDoc)