topic Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10 in Water Resources Questions

ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

LaurenLaPort — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:31:21 GMT

Hi
Has anyone upgraded to ArcGIS 10 and installed/used ArcHydro with it?

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

BogiBjornsson — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:05:53 GMT

Bump to the top.

I would be interested in knowing about this as well and if there are any issues with running the current ArcHydro version (for ArcGIS 9.3) with the 10.

Would also love to hear from offical ESRI persons that work on ArcHydro to comment.

Thanks in advance

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

TeriDowdy — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:55:53 GMT

Just completed upgrade to ArcGIS 10. Current ArcHydro 9.3.1 will not install. Installer looks for 9.3 products. Looked for updates at ftp site, resource center and the ArcHydro Blog - no luck. Hopefully, Dr. Maidment and his group are on the fix and will have it live soon.

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

ThomasColson — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:15:02 GMT

From what I understand, there are no plans to forward engineer Arc Hydro, TAUDEM, HEC-GeoRAS, or HEC-GeoHMS to compatibility with 10. So those of us in the H&H service lines will be sticking with 9.3 for quite some time. This is similar to when ESRI moved from 3.2 to 8.0: note how there are still people using 3.2 because of the investment people made in developing tools to work on the AV 3.x platform. That many more people have made a much more substantial investment in developing tools that work on the 9.x platform, and I suspect that very few people will be migrating to 10 that depend on 9.3 to generate income for them. Severl pals of mine had their IT dept push 10 out like the week it came out, and have had all sorts of problems going back to 9.3 so they could finish projects.

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

RayJahncke — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:01:56 GMT

Apparently ArcHydro will be released, but without all functionality, in the next few weeks. A full version, however, that is compatible with ArcGIS 10 will be available in the Fall.

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

RayJahncke — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 18:33:52 GMT

just a tip -
in case you need to uninstall apframework from a previous version, it is found under the name "water utilities application framework".

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

NathanTobin — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:54:39 GMT

Has there been any new developments with this tool in regards to Arc10 compatibility? There's been an increasing need for this as organizations make a migration to Arc10!

Thanks for all your work!

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

V_StuartFoote — Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:31:37 GMT

Nathan,

ArcHydro is pretty much fully functional for ArcGIS 10, ver 2.0.0.80 was built Dec 22, 2010 and posted to the Water Resources ftp site, and it bundles AppFramework ver 4.0.0.22.

The embedded Help and Tutorial were updated Nov 15, 2010.

But, as has been well publicized the HEC GeoRAS and GeoHMS will not be updated in the near term for ArcGIS 10. So if your needs center on preprocessing support for HEC RAS or HMS, you'll need to stay with ArcGIS 9.3

Stuart

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

ThomasColson — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:00:25 GMT

Is there a business reason for not upgrading GEO RAS&HMS to work with 10? That affectively guarantees that the entire H&H engineering community won't be spending $$$ (as ESRI would hope) on 10. I am already running into situations where organizations are running into issues after IT blindly updates to 10, only to encounter a user revolt when none of the H&H tools will work. At the university level, we're facing demands from the population that we teach using 10, but what we teach is centered around the application of tools and extensions that are applicable to resource management and engineering, and none of these things work in 10. I'm rather confused about the business case to release a major version change, push its sale with this so-called "certification", yet not support any of the functionality that has made previous versions successful.

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

V_StuartFoote — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:00:06 GMT

Tom,

Simply put it is not ESRI's decision. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineering, Hydrologic Engineering Center (HEC) is not a commercial entity and their development work on all HEC related H&H software is not bound by business considerations--rather operational and configuration management tied to the needs to the Corps of Engineers.

ArcHydro and the Water Resources Application Framework development, including HEC-GeoRAS/GeoHMS is a collaborative effort on the part of U.S. Governmental, Educational and ESRI Professional services. It continues apace with the needs and requirements of each participant. ESRI has proceeded with development of an ArcGIS 10 ArcHydro extension because it does make business sense. The HEC on the other hand does not yet require an ArcGIS 10 capability at this stage of the HEC-RAS and HEC-HMS projects. The ArcGIS 9.2/9.3 compliant GeoRAS 4.3/GeoHMS 4.2 and GeoHMS 5.0 developmental versions of the software are being maintained by this effort.

ESRI is not the purveyor of HEC-GeoRAS/HEC-GeoHMS, simply a collaborative partner in its development. ESRI hosts, as a public service, access the "developmental" versions of the software. The HEC retains distribution and management of the "official" versions and provides configuration management and technical support for their internal USACE offices.

I'd note that in reality, in an academic, corporate or governmental setting it is a simple matter to maintain ArcGIS 9.x and desired HEC GeoRAS or GeoHMS functionality by retaining seats of ArcGIS 9. ESRI's licensing structure facilitates this and their track record suggests they will continue to support prior versions indefinitely.

There are other commercial purveyors of preprocessors for the HEC RAS/HMS modeling systems, Aquaveo for example, that have implemented ArcGIS 10 capable versions of their software. A route the HEC has no operational need to pursue--yet.

Stuart

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

EricCastle — Wed, 09 Feb 2011 20:29:01 GMT

Nathan,

ArcHydro is pretty much fully functional for ArcGIS 10, ver 2.0.0.80 was built Dec 22, 2010 and posted to the Water Resources ftp site, and it bundles AppFramework ver 4.0.0.22.

The embedded Help and Tutorial were updated Nov 15, 2010.

But, as has been well publicized the HEC GeoRAS and GeoHMS will not be updated in the near term for ArcGIS 10. So if your needs center on preprocessing support for HEC RAS or HMS, you'll need to stay with ArcGIS 9.3

Stuart

Stuart,

How can I access the Water Resourses ftp so I can download Arc Hydro 2?

Thanks,

Eric

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

V_StuartFoote — Wed, 09 Feb 2011 20:56:03 GMT

Eric,

See post #6 in this thread. But here again are the credentials.

Credentials:
   ftp.esri.com
   login: RiverHydraulics
   passwd: river.1114

It is much easier to use an ftp utility like FileZilla as it is unwieldy to download in a Web browser.

Grab and read the �??readmemmddyyyy.doc�?� file on the root. Then change down to the ArcHydro folder and the Setup10 for ArcHydro version 2.x which is still late stage beta and only applicable for ArcGIS 10.

Stuart

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

AlvaroFonseca — Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:19:17 GMT

I have just installed ArcGIS 10 on a newly formatted computer, and also installed ArcHydro 2.0, and it seems to work much better than the previous versions (9.3.1). They have done a lot of improvement, especially adding some functions in the ArcHydro Toolbox, so that one can run Model Builder with more functions now.

However, there is one thing I cannot find, a function called Accumulate Shapes. It´s still on the help documentation, but I just cannot find it. Any ideas?

Cheers,
Alvaro

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

MustafaELHalwagy — Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:20:45 GMT

There are some files have password protected,

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

V_StuartFoote — Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:44:35 GMT

Mustafa,

That is correct, you have no license for that information and the material has always been password protected. It is proprietary, non-public domain material used by the Professional Services Water Resources team and HEC and Academic collaborators, in fee-based instruction on the use of the ArcHydro and HEC-GeoRAS, HEC-GeoHMS utilities.

The extensions are well documented, and the classroom/seminar materials are not needed for general use. You'll find you don't need them.

Stuart

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

MustafaELHalwagy — Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:05:55 GMT

OK, thank you very much.

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

MatthewHenington — Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:36:04 GMT

An alpha version of Arc Hydro 2.0 for ArcGIS 10 can be downloaded from ESRI ftp site.

ftp.esri.com
login: RiverHydraulics
password: river.1114
or

ftp://RiverHydraulics:river.1114@ftp.esri.com/ArcHydro/Setup10/

This is work in progresss and should be treated with care. If you choose to install it, you only need to run ArcHydroTools.msi after installing ArcGIS10 (from the ArcHydro/setup10/2.0.0.34 or similar version directory). ApFramework will be installed as well.

Notes

- Most Terrain Preprocessing/Terrain Morphology functions have been migrated and are avalaible as geoprocessing tools in the Arc Hydro toolbox and functions in the Arc Hydro toolbar.

- Network tools: Set Flow Direction is available as a geoprocessing tool in this release.

- Attributes: Compute Local Parameters is available in the menu

- Main delineation tools are available

You may report any issue by sending an e-mail to archydro@esri.com

Also, if you are getting some errors, try to turn off the background processing when running the geoprocessing tools -this is still being tested as well (using Geoprocessing > Geoprocessing options).

Christine Dartiguenave
Arc Hydro Release Manager
ESRI Water Resources Team

Okay I'm a student and I installed this on one of our computers in the university lab that runs Arc10, I'm having a little trouble finding the extension to add it in to 10. Any suggestions?

Matthew Henington
Louisiana Tech University GIS Department

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

V_StuartFoote — Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:57:23 GMT

Matthew,

You've given the correct link in your post. Follow the ftp session down into the 2.0.1.15 folder and right mouse on the ArcHydroTools.msi and use "Save link as" (FF, or Save Target as for IE). Download to a good spot on the system.

Run the Microsoft Installer: either right mouse --> Install, or launch cmd.exe, navigate to the download folder, and execute "msiexec.exe /I ArcHydroTools.msi /qb"

As with any software installation you must have Administrators privilege to do the installation--is that the case in your school lab?

When installed, you activate the ArcHydro Tools from ArcMap 10 via
[INDENT]Customize --> Toolbars --> ArcHydro Tools
[/INDENT]
For full function of some tools, you will need to activate the "Spatial Analyst" and "3D Analyst" extensions from the Customize --> Extensions check boxes.

Stuart

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

EmilyMcCoy — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:53:32 GMT

From what I understand, there are no plans to forward engineer Arc Hydro, TAUDEM, HEC-GeoRAS, or HEC-GeoHMS to compatibility with 10. So those of us in the H&H service lines will be sticking with 9.3 for quite some time. This is similar to when ESRI moved from 3.2 to 8.0: note how there are still people using 3.2 because of the investment people made in developing tools to work on the AV 3.x platform. That many more people have made a much more substantial investment in developing tools that work on the 9.x platform, and I suspect that very few people will be migrating to 10 that depend on 9.3 to generate income for them. Severl pals of mine had their IT dept push 10 out like the week it came out, and have had all sorts of problems going back to 9.3 so they could finish projects.

Gah Tom, you're such a buzzkill! What a dilemma for those of us with iPads and those that want to use new tools such as MODIS http://data.crwr.utexas.edu/blog/news/historical-evapotranspiration-data/:)

Guess I'll delay the upgrade till ArcHydro comes to 10 and proves its not going to be a big mess of headaches!

Hope you are well Tom!

Emily

Re: ArcHydro in ArcGIS 10

V_StuartFoote — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:46:32 GMT

Emily,

Looks like your link to the CRWR blog item on the MODIS16 project got trashed. The CRWR Modis Toolkit is an ArcGIS 10 ArcPy site library based Python toolbox.

Anyway, have a look at the rest of the thread and you'll see that ArcHydro extension for Desktop 10 has been available for a while and is being actively refined by Dean Djokic and team.

Stuart