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    <title>topic Re: Identifying Dangerous Curves in Transportation Questions</title>
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    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Look for accident data... &amp;nbsp;I don't think a true curve is what you want; it's more or less a drawing trick. &amp;nbsp;Not sure your math will find them either: if I understand them they are just looking at the beginning and end. &amp;nbsp;The sinuosity of any line is defined along the way, not just end points, right?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:28:45 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>JoeBorgione</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2017-01-21T00:28:45Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Identifying Dangerous Curves</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/transportation-questions/identifying-dangerous-curves/m-p/74044#M290</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hello,&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;We would like to identify dangerous tight curves in our road database.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;To start I calculated a field called 'Sinuosity' with the following expression:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;"!Shape.Length! / (math.sqrt(math.pow((float( !Shape.FirstPoint.X!) - float( !Shape.LastPoint.X!)), 2) + math.pow((float( !Shape.FirstPoint.Y!) - float( !Shape.LastPoint.Y!)), 2)))"&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I&amp;nbsp;then downloaded a geoprocessing script called 'Identify True Curves' which&amp;nbsp;creates two output feature classes:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;OutputCurvePoints and OutputWithCurves&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It also creates two temp files: tmpSourceVertices and tmpDensifiedVertices&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have successfully run the model but it is really not what I am looking to accomplish.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Does anyone have a way to find these dangerous hairpin turns?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am using ArcInfo 10.1.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Dorothea&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:59:31 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>DorotheaKnigge</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-01-20T17:59:31Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Identifying Dangerous Curves</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/transportation-questions/identifying-dangerous-curves/m-p/74045#M291</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Look for accident data... &amp;nbsp;I don't think a true curve is what you want; it's more or less a drawing trick. &amp;nbsp;Not sure your math will find them either: if I understand them they are just looking at the beginning and end. &amp;nbsp;The sinuosity of any line is defined along the way, not just end points, right?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:28:45 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>JoeBorgione</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-01-21T00:28:45Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Identifying Dangerous Curves</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/transportation-questions/identifying-dangerous-curves/m-p/74046#M292</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;It is common in river research to define sinuosity as a ratio of channel length over straight line distance.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;See here :&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="http://forest.mtu.edu/faculty/hyslop/gis/sinuosity.html"&gt;sinuosity&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But in terms of roads, I agree with&amp;nbsp;&lt;A href="https://community.esri.com/people/jborgion"&gt;jborgion&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Rather look for better evidence of what constitutes "dangerous".&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2017 07:54:07 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>NeilAyres</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-01-21T07:54:07Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Identifying Dangerous Curves</title>
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      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Good morning,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you Neil and Joe for your comments.&amp;nbsp; Joe you are correct that the sinuosity of any line is defined along the way, not just the end points.&amp;nbsp; I have not been happy with the "math" results.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;We do maintain our own accident data so I will take a look at where the 'hot spots' are occurring.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you for your re-direction and I wish you both a great day!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Dorothea&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:23:15 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>DorotheaKnigge</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-01-23T15:23:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Identifying Dangerous Curves</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/transportation-questions/identifying-dangerous-curves/m-p/74048#M294</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Looking at only&amp;nbsp;'hot spots' won't be very useful if your area you are looking in is fairly large as the hot spots will be mostly at intersections.&amp;nbsp; If the traffic accidents are tracked with other details such as type of crash you could just look at 'lane departure' types of crashes.&amp;nbsp; Or possibly remove all crash data that is within so many feet of an intersection, say 300 or 500&amp;nbsp;feet.&amp;nbsp; But all of these potential solutions require access to good crash data.&amp;nbsp; Which really is going to help you identify what is truly a dangerous curve.&amp;nbsp; A tight curve with no crash histories I would argue is not a 'dangerous' curve.&amp;nbsp; Then again 1 crash every three years isn't bad at all, and definitely not a 'hot spot'.&amp;nbsp; But if every one of them is a fatal crash since the vehicle falls over a giant cliff I think everyone would agree to be a very dangerous curve.&amp;nbsp; So&amp;nbsp;sorting by severity of injury would help as well....assuming your crash data tracks that as well.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:04:59 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>AnthonyPankala</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-01-27T13:04:59Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Identifying Dangerous Curves</title>
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      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Anthony,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you for your comments, we do track "type" and "severity" among many other attributes. Using linear referencing we are also tracking by quarter mile segments which shows a different aspect on what's happening on the roads. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm looking at all possible ways&amp;nbsp;to identify dangerous curves that may need signage.&amp;nbsp; That 'magic' script is not yet out there!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Dorothea&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:18:26 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>DorotheaKnigge</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-01-30T15:18:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Identifying Dangerous Curves</title>
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      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;If you also have speed limit information, perhaps you can look for road segments where the speed limit changes "significantly" on either side of a given road segment. If you have a road sign inventory, you could also look for signs that indicate hairpins or sharp turns as well.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2017 18:04:31 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>SteveCole</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-06T18:04:31Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Identifying Dangerous Curves</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/transportation-questions/identifying-dangerous-curves/m-p/74051#M297</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hello Steve,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I appreciated your take on finding hairpin/sharp turns using speed limit information and road sign inventory. We have incorporated those aspects into our search.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanking you for your input,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Dorothea&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2017 14:31:03 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>DorotheaKnigge</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-07T14:31:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Identifying Dangerous Curves</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/transportation-questions/identifying-dangerous-curves/m-p/74052#M298</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi Dorothea,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Interesting thread. I’ve had some experience in using GIS to identify high risk curves in New Zealand. Our approach is based on the idea is that a tight curve is not necessarily a dangerous curve – it all depends on the context. For example, drivers are much more likely to lose control and have a serious crash on a tight curve at the end of a long straight, compared to a tight curve along a winding section where driving speeds are already very low. Relying on crash data can give you an idea of problem areas, but it's not very helpful for low volume roads where crashes tend to be more sporadic and "random".&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In our GIS models, we first identify curves from a road centreline. Then we model vehicle speeds along the road centreline (acceleration on straights, deceleration on curves) to determine the approach speed to each curve. The difference between the approach speed and the appropriate speed for the curve then determines whether it is “dangerous”. Our models are relatively complex in that we also factor in the overall terrain (eg vehicle speeds are generally lower on mountainous roads) and driver behaviour (eg drivers tend to brake within 70 metres of a curve and don’t accelerate on straights less than 200 metres).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Our methodology uses Model Builder and some Python scripts - no special software. We do quite a bit of editing to get the centreline into a suitable format for extracting curves and running our models.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If you are interested in our methodology, I wrote it up an article for the New Zealand Surveying+Spatial magazine last year (see page 19 onwards here: &lt;A href="https://issuu.com/nzis/docs/s_s_march_2016"&gt;https://issuu.com/nzis/docs/s_s_march_2016&lt;/A&gt;).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hope this is helpful? I'm happy to elaborate further if you have any questions.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Dale&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:34:59 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>DaleHarris2</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-16T23:34:59Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Identifying Dangerous Curves</title>
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      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi Dale,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I find your process very intriguing.&amp;nbsp; It seems the whole process hinges on having a very accurate centerline.&amp;nbsp; Do you incorporate 'true curves' when editing?&amp;nbsp; What is the suitable format for extracting curves?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you for any additional information.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Dorothea&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:37:34 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>DorotheaKnigge</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-20T13:37:34Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Identifying Dangerous Curves</title>
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      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A class="link-titled" href="https://github.com/KDOTGIS/HorizontalCurve" title="https://github.com/KDOTGIS/HorizontalCurve"&gt;GitHub - KDOTGIS/HorizontalCurve: KDOT commissioned URS to create this horizontal curve calculator with HSIP funds&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is a horizontal curve tool that was created for Kansas DOT. &amp;nbsp;The tool looks at road centerline geometry and calculates curve radius assuming circular curves, and also gives a R-squared indicator that can help to identify poorly digitized curves, spiral curves, or compound curves.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;"Dangerous curves" is a somewhat subjective adjective, I suppose you are looking for a relationship between curve radius, speed limit, and then adding in weighting factors including traffic volumes, crashes located near the curve, and then hopefully contributing circumstances to those crashes. &amp;nbsp;Dangerous curves also might have issues with signage, elevation, sight obstructions, any other number of systemic safety attributes. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2017 20:51:43 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Anonymous User</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-08-14T20:51:43Z</dc:date>
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