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Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

ClaireInbody1 — Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:38:54 GMT

Has any DOTs implemented Collector/Survey 123 for their wetland delineations and wetland determination forms? Nebraska DOT has a pilot project under way to convert the wetland determination form into Survey 123 application. We have almost completed it but having a few issues regarding dominance test for vegetation along with a few issues regarding the report template. We are willing to share our insights so far and interested to see what other DOTs are doing.

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

AngelaBozeman — Mon, 25 Feb 2019 02:34:37 GMT

I am not with the DOT but I am looking to do something like this for wetlands assessments in Florida. What types of issues were you running into with the reporting template?

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

ClaireInbody1 — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:37:46 GMT

Angela,

We found it was due to how we had things setup in the repeat. I had the repeat in and out of a table inside of the word document and it needed to have the repeat all within the table itself.

${#SoilProf}${Depth1}

${Color1}

${PercSoil}

${ColorRedox1}

${PercSoilRedox1}

${SoilType}

${SoilLocation}

${SoilTextureRedox}${/SoilProf}

I had the repeat name and closing of the repeat outside of this table and sometimes it would break my export of the data in the report.

For our dominance test we found out as well that survey 123 does not have the function to call previous entries from the repeat so we cant do the dominance calculation as needed. For now we will have the end user manually determine if they species is dominant or not.

Thanks,

Claire

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

JamesTedrick — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:40:00 GMT

Hi Claire,

We have an upcoming enhancement (planned for 3.4) that may be able to help with the dominance testing - could I revisit this with you to work on the methodology?

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

ClaireInbody1 — Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:42:51 GMT

James - Yes absolutely!

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

StephenRice1 — Tue, 07 May 2019 19:56:59 GMT

Were you able to reconcile the problems?

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

ClaireInbody1 — Wed, 10 Jul 2019 18:17:14 GMT

James with this latest release in June does this have the ability to calculations within repeat field?

Thanks,

Claire

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

JamesTedrick — Mon, 15 Jul 2019 16:22:00 GMT

Hi Claire,

Apologies for the delay in response. Calculations with repeats is supported with custom JS functions and was the reason I wanted to try to re-engage on this. That being said, we are also experiencing another issue with the (in-beta) custom JS function.

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

ByronTsang — Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:21:20 GMT

Hey James Tedrick - Just curious, did those JS calculations with repeats get any traction?

Also, Claire Inbody A while back (version 2.3 i think?) I developed a Survey123 version of the USACE determination form for the Eastern Mountain & Piedmont region (for Georgia). I ran into the same problems with the vegetation dominance testing, so I ended up pulling everything out of repeats and making a series of duplicate questions. This bloated the survey a lot and slowed down the loading times, but it made the calculations a lot simpler (if perhaps annoying to write). As an added benefit, it made exporting to then beta-only custom report templates possible. (see attached)

With new JS calculations available, I would love to return to this form and streamline it to use repeats.

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

ClaireInbody1 — Thu, 24 Oct 2019 21:05:18 GMT

Bryon - Ahh interesting. Our wetlands group moved on with a different product called Wildnote to use for the form. However, I would still be interested in what a custom JS calculation would do.

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

JamesTedrick — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 16:48:55 GMT

Hi Byron,

Custom JS functions are still in beta, but do include the capability to pass a set of repeat data into a function to create a result based on all of the repeat submissions.

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

BrookeAumann — Thu, 10 Dec 2020 18:16:05 GMT

https://ecobotapp.com/

Looks like this company has done it.

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

ThomasHamill — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 12:54:42 GMT

I see this thread has been quiet for a little while now, but am curious if any Survery123 users out there have successfully implemented this wetland determination survey form and the associated feature report for it.

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

ThomasHamill — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 14:15:33 GMT

I've developed a USACE Wetland Determination Form in Survey123 for the Atlantic and Gulf Coastal Plain Region (PDF Version 2.0) and I'm looking for folks to beta test it, suggest improvements for how the implementation can be refined such that it makes use of the most sophisticated aspects of Survey123 functionality as possible (within the limitations of the USACE WDF survey design). I've attached the PDF I followed to draft the S123 design.

The Survey123 form can be accessed through this link.

I plan to draft a Survey123 Feature Report template next so the results can be exported from the S123 feature service into the format of the PDF.

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

BrookeAumann — Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:56:08 GMT

@ThomasHamill

I'll take a look, but that fact that you did this is awesome. While my firm only does wetlands determination in certain offices (and this does not apply to those offices) I've been wondering why government orgs that clearly use ESRI tools/ GIS haven't created these for public use and distribution because it would benefit us all.

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

CurtKleist — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 04:01:30 GMT

Hows this form been working out? I just saw thus post but would be willing to try it ourlt and test it for you. I do wetland work in nc/ne but have used a few other electric forms and would be willing to give it a test. Thanks for sharing.

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

ThomasHamill — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 17:33:05 GMT

@CurtKleist, I haven't received any feedback on it yet, so feel free to give it a whirl, especially if you're familiar with Survey123! It'll be important for me receive feedback in order to better understand changes and revisions that will need to be made to the form, and prior to making any attempts to develop a Feature Report that matches the official USACE WDF PDF (which is ultimately my goal).

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

CurtKleist — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 18:20:46 GMT

Thanks I'll check it out. Id like to get something setup for the NC/NE. Another company I know uses fulcrum for this but I'd like to customize something cheaper. I will look at it right now. I mainly use Field Maps and do it all myself but Ill test survey 123.

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

ThomasHamill — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 13:33:57 GMT

I think the XLS Form design of the survey (based on the attached WDF PDF) is relatively robust, i.e., has most if not all questions and choice options, but may have at least several things that could be optimized.

For example, the Tree, Sapling, Shrub, Herb, and Woody Vine Stratums (Vegetation section) all have free-form text (field type) entry for species, but could be changed to a "select one" such that there are coded choices in a drop-down menu that draw from a discrete list of species (that I create and program into the XLS form).

Same goes for the soil color entry. It's a text field but could be changed to multiple choice. I'm not familiar enough with the USACE WDF process, but can imagine some surveyors pull from a list of official soil colors, assuming there's a common standard for these that is set by an agency like USDA NRCS or USACE.

I've heard that there can be a wide range in how folks complete the form (when it's done by paper), like writing text where there should be a numeric value recorded or vice versa.

From a UX perspective, all of this will need to be ironed out by experts and seasoned wetland surveyors who're versed in the WDF process before I can prepare a Feature Report to go along with the Survey. The Feature Report is the next big hurdle!

Re: Wetland Determination Survey 123 form

RobertVerheggen1 — Mon, 06 Jun 2022 15:05:08 GMT

I see this has been quiet for a while, but I am also attempting to work on this. How do all the look ups work for plants, soil types, etc? The form I am working from has a lot of other information that autofills based on field responses, but I'm not sure how to make that work with a MS Word report template.

Look forward to hearing how you got past that.