topic Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ??? in Python Questions

arcmap 10.5 python version ???

DanPatterson_Retired — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:18:45 GMT

Rumours abound... no confirmation by anyone... so if you have installed 10.5 (pre-release, release, future-wear, whatever), can you confirm the version of

python
numpy
scipy
matplotlib

Are there any new packages installed that you know of in the site-packages folder?

I don't want to waste my time anymore maintaining older versions of python and backporting functionality from 3 to 2.. I am beginning to know what a Cobol programmer felt like in Y2K.

I also presume they didn't go the Conda route as they did with Pro.

Is there a reason for this? Why the separation of development in Map and Pro?

Does anyone know anyone with any insight into world of python and its kin and when there will be some unification of the family.

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

RebeccaStrauch__GISP — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:22:39 GMT

Prerelease was still 2.7.

edit...or should I say, still installed in the Python27 folder

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

DanPatterson_Retired — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 14:43:47 GMT

So you said pre-release is still installed there... so there is hope

what about

>>> import numpy as np
>>> np.version.version
??????? # faint hope that it is higher than my iPad
>>>
>>> # ---- or ----
>>> import matplotlib as mpl
>>> mpl.__version__
???????  # ditto
>>> # ---- repeat for scipy etc‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍‍

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

RebeccaStrauch__GISP — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:50:21 GMT

again, for pre-release 10.5

>>> import numpy as np
>>> np.version.version
'1.9.2'
>>> import matplotlib as mp1
>>> mp1.__version__
'1.4.3'
>>> import scipy as spy
>>> spy.version.version
'0.15.1'
>>>

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

DanPatterson_Retired — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 20:29:24 GMT

tied with the iPad (except don't use scipy on it)

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

RebeccaStrauch__GISP — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 20:33:24 GMT

...guess I should have mentioned that that was done in the ArcCatalog python window, if that makes a difference for you. I just use what they give me, and a few other modules I need for specific programs/tools I write. I'm not a python module explorer like you.

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

JoshuaBixby — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:45:22 GMT

They did change the version between PreRelease and Release, just not the version change you wanted.

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

Robert_LeClair — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:49:33 GMT

Pardon my typo but here's the result from my ArcGIS 10.5 install:

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

DanPatterson_Retired — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:13:47 GMT

A sad day... 8 years old this month, as I have blogged, and still ignored by ArcMap.

The last bastion of hope will be ArcGIS Pro, if they deliver on equal for equal in terms of analysis functionality... perhaps, someone from the geoprocessing or other team could offer a glimmer of hope that at least python 3.5.x (3.6 would be a dream) and numpy 1.10 (min. 1.11 great) will be installed?

Backporting is no longer desireable and I am not keen on snagging needed functionality out github or mercurial to cobble together functions to keep them current.

Thanks people... I will leave this open and continue to reward new information...

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

Robert_LeClair — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:21:39 GMT

Dan - do not give up hope...for ArcGIS Pro is a different beast entirely. The releases I quoted above are for ArcMap 10.5...

Pro 1.4 (Alpha 4) is different...

Python is 3.5.2

matplotlib is 1.5.3

numpy is 1.11.2

scipy is 0.18.1

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

DanPatterson_Retired — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:24:37 GMT

Now that is better! I don't suppose I can hold you to that though

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

Robert_LeClair — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:27:23 GMT

You can try but I have no control over the Pro Dev team! 😉

There is a chance that the release numbers will change when Pro 1.4 is final...but I don't have access to Beta or Release Candidates quite yet...

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

MelitaKennedy — Fri, 16 Dec 2016 00:30:00 GMT

I've got an almost-final-Release-Candidate (they ain't changing the python version now). It has the same versions as Robert.

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

DanPatterson_Retired — Fri, 16 Dec 2016 00:39:21 GMT

Thanks Melita, I suspect the development efforts are elsewhere..

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

DanPatterson_Retired — Sat, 17 Dec 2016 05:30:06 GMT

I heard from Derek Law‌ in a comment on this thread

To quote...

Finally heard back from the Dev team, here are the Python package versions included with ArcGIS 10.5 final release:
python 2.7.12
numpy 1.9.3
scipy 0.17.0
matplotlib 1.5.2

I guess I await unification of a common stack, although I suspect that python 3 will never see the light of day in ArcMap... leaving PRO

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

DanPatterson_Retired — Thu, 22 Dec 2016 12:00:26 GMT

On the upside for some and to panic others... from

FAQ: Has the Deprecated Features for ArcGIS document been updated for 10.4.1 and 10.5?

ArcGIS Desktop 10.5
Support for Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications Recently Microsoft has informed Esri that they will no longer provide any fixes or troubleshooting for Microsoft Visual Basic for Applications (VBA). Given this Microsoft statement, Esri can no longer support distribution of VBA. The ArcGIS Desktop 10.5 release will not include the Microsoft VBA compatibility setup. ArcGIS 10.4.1 for Desktop is the last release that includes the VBA compatibility setup.

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

KevinHibma — Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:29:29 GMT

Dan,

Absolutely zero promises about ArcMap moving to 3.x -- but it is a talked about idea. Don't take this to mean it'll happen, I'm just saying as an idea, it is not dead. This is probably the biggest concern about the 2.x line: Python 2.7 Countdown

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

DanPatterson_Retired — Thu, 22 Dec 2016 15:19:40 GMT

I have seen that and blogged about it (one of several).

I still see no downside since both versions can co-exist... even on an iPad. It is just reminiscent of the Y2K era and the foot-dragging around patching COBOL to read corporate databases.

I suppose I am one of the few that is caught in the need for the upgraded functionality that python 3.5 offers especially when combined with the more recent versions of numpy, scipy and now matplotlib has a v2.0 release candidate. I just manage by porting over the needed functions from the git repositories or writing my own patches so that I can work with 2.7 for those that need it (normally government, some of which are still on ArcMap 9.3 and even older python).

When PRO 1.4 comes out AND if it is more-or-less up to speed with regards to ArcMap functionality, I will just abandon ArcMap support, except for teaching, until catch-up has occurred.

On to Christmas... got to install pythonista on my iWatch

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

KevinHibma — Thu, 22 Dec 2016 15:33:44 GMT

I understand and hear your concerns over 2.x vs 3.x. Absolutely everything I write these days can work in 2.x or 3.x (syntactically speaking -not speaking for particular packages between versions). But thats "easy" for me to do because I have ArcMap and Pro on the same machine and find myself moving back and forth between the versions constantly, so I'm actively working on items that need to work in both versions. I sympathize with the people who are new to python, or write python infrequently, it can be a burden to understand the differences. Hopefully in time we can make this easier.

Re: arcmap 10.5 python version ???

SteveLewis — Tue, 23 May 2017 01:23:07 GMT

Microsoft SQL Server 2017 is using Python 3.5. It would be great if ESRI was in sync on that side so that we could embed the ArcPy libraries inside of Microsofts.