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How do shape files define a physical location?

RusselQuan — Wed, 20 May 2015 05:11:58 GMT

How do shape files define a physical location? When looking at the attributes of a polygon record, I see a Shape_Length and Shape_Area. The shape can be so complex but the definition seems extremely simple. Very curious....

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

curtvprice — Wed, 20 May 2015 05:22:01 GMT

The Shape field in the table is a BLOB (binary large object) that has structured coordinates. The structure is different depending on the type of feature (line, polygon, point). Those locations are hidden from the interface, if you wanted to see them all you'd need to use a tool that dumps them out or write a script that can read them and print them.

Reading geometries—Help | ArcGIS for Desktop

The length and area are calculated from the shape, which can be extremely complex, with up to millions of coordinates.

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

JayantaPoddar — Wed, 20 May 2015 07:13:51 GMT

Good one for my learning Curtis Price.

Russel Quan:

Hi Russel,

For a polygon, the feature stores the coordinates of the vertices that helps to define the structure of the polygon, thus calculating the area and perimeter (length), based on the projected coordinate system.

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

RusselQuan — Thu, 21 May 2015 04:41:47 GMT

Thanks for the link - Reading Geometries. That opens pandora's box! I'm familiar with a BLOB as a field in and Oracle or SQL Server database. Where is this BLOB stored?

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

RusselQuan — Thu, 21 May 2015 04:43:41 GMT

Thanks. I see the coordinate system defined in the *.prj file. How does each shape align with the coordinate system?

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

SepheFox — Thu, 21 May 2015 05:21:07 GMT

Russel, each shape aligns with the coordinate system through pairs of coordinates for each vertices that match up with the coordinates in the coordinate system. If you look at that link Curtis posted, and scroll down to polygon geometries, for example, you can see illustrations of the vertices, their coordinates, and how that geometry code looks. Is that what you meant?

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

NeilAyres — Thu, 21 May 2015 06:28:06 GMT

The *prj file (or the coordinate system definition) is part of the metadata of the feature. The coordinates in the "blob" are just a bunch of numbers. Without knowing what those numbers represent, ie the projection that they are in, the system would still not know how to map these coordinates on to a map in their correct real world location.

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

RusselQuan — Fri, 22 May 2015 03:40:27 GMT

I deduce that there is a relationship between the Project Coordinate System and pairs of coordinates for a Point Geometry or a set of coordinate pairs for a Polygon Geometry that are stored in the BLOB.

Where does that relationship get defined and how is it resolved? Ultimately, how does a polygon of a county get mapped to a polygon of a state? And how does a point geometry of a city get mapped to a polygon of a county?

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

SepheFox — Fri, 22 May 2015 03:57:35 GMT

Look at this example, a .prj file that I opened in Notepad:

PROJCS["WGS 1984 UTM, Zone 36 North, Meter",GEOGCS["unnamed",DATUM["D_WGS_1984",SPHEROID["World Geodetic System of 1984",6378137.0,298.257222932867]],

PRIMEM["Greenwich",0.0],

UNIT["degree",0.0174532925199433]],

PROJECTION["Transverse_Mercator"],

PARAMETER["false_easting",500000.0],

PARAMETER["false_northing",0.0],

PARAMETER["central_meridian",33.0],

PARAMETER["scale_factor",0.9996],

PARAMETER["latitude_of_origin",0.0],

UNIT["METER",1.0]]

Then, read this description of what the parameters describe: ESRI PRJ File

In addition ArcGIS contains algorithms, or mathematical formulas, that can reproject "on the fly" a dataset in a different projection by reading it's parameters and converting them to the data frame projection.

Any clearer?

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

SepheFox — Fri, 22 May 2015 04:04:35 GMT

But a point anywhere in the world, and a polygon dataset of the entire world's continents can have the exact same projection. It's not necessarily limited by scale or feature type. They are just more coordinates on the same grid of a coordinate system.

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

SepheFox — Fri, 22 May 2015 04:20:28 GMT

Russel, I found an article that might help you immensely: A Framework for GIS Modeling

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

RusselQuan — Sat, 23 May 2015 17:12:16 GMT

You guys are great. Thanks for all the input and links. They are greatly appreciated and helpful.

With your help and exercises in Chapter 4 of GIS Tutorial 1 by Wilpen Gorr, I've been able to deduce the following.

zip files can originate from many sources. I have found the US Census county zip files here.

Index of /geo/tiger/TIGERrd13/COUSUB10

The zip file has the following

.xml - the Description of the data, the extents, the link, all of the meta data about the data.

.dbf - I'm assuming this is storing all of the BLOBs. I don't know which editor to use to read it.

.shp - the Shape file that gets imported into the GeoDatabase.gdb file and becomes a Feature Class. It must have a relationship to the .dbf file.

.prj - the DATUM, coordinate system, that is used as the foundation for the geometries.

.shx - mystery to me.

The shape file can be added to the GeoDatabase in ArcCatalog.

The GeoDatabase can then be used in ArcMap.

The Feature class can then be added to the Table of Contents on a Layer.

Please add any comments or corrections.

Next question then becomes, is it a best practice to use that geodatabase as the default geodatabase in the mxd properties?

This is going to lead to another topic and another thread of pacakaging mxds and gdbs for distribution.

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

RusselQuan — Sat, 23 May 2015 18:57:52 GMT

Sephe,

Very interesting article. I particularly liked seeing the database structure from points to arcs to features. I see that @Joseph K Berry has quite a bit of information on line and in text.

Re: How do shape files define a physical location?

VinceAngelo — Sat, 23 May 2015 19:05:19 GMT

Actually, while shapefiles have three different internal structures by type, the types are Point, Multipoint, and Polyline/Polygon. The only difference between polylines and polygons are the permitted values in the first four bytes of the shape record, and the fact that the point array values for polygon rings must close (first == last) and may not cross (though they can touch at a point).

The Shapefile Technical Description whitepaper details the nuts and bolts of the shapefile format. Interestingly, the length and area values are not carried as properties inside the .shp file itself, but are computed when needed from the combined part and point arrays.

- V