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ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

MartinAmeskamp — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:28:16 GMT

Hi,

I'm getting a bit lost in the new ArcGIS Enterprise terminology - can someone point me to some document that explains what the ArcGIS Data Store and specifically the relational data store have to do with the good old Enterprise Geodatabase based on RDBMS products such as Oracle, MS SQL Serverv or Postgres? Is this just a new name for the same thing, or is a relational data store truly a new relational database implementation?

From the current documentation I get the rough idea the a "managed database" is the old (ArcSDE) Enterprise Geodatabase, so this would indeed indicate that the relational data store is something new. If so, what?

Thanks, Martin

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

BillFox — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:21:53 GMT

Hello Martin,

ArcGIS Data Store = Anything new and amazing you want to do in ArcGIS 10.5

I believe it's the (Required ESRI implementation of PostgreSQL) as the required replacement to the traditional ArcGIS geodatabase in SQL or Oracle.

I think it is still being tweaked a bit to iron out if all three types of data stores (Relational, Tile Cache and Spatio-temporal Big) are going to use UNC file locations or inside a PostgreSQL "geodatabase".

Reference:

What is ArcGIS Data Store?—Installation Guides | ArcGIS Enterprise

-Bill

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

DerekLaw — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:04:41 GMT

Hi Martin,

> what the ArcGIS Data Store and specifically the relational data store have to do with the good old Enterprise Geodatabase based on RDBMS products such as Oracle, MS SQL Serverv or Postgres? Is this just a new name for the same thing, or is a relational data store truly a new relational database implementation?

Enterprise geodatabases (aka. previously known as ArcSDE geodatabases) are still relevant and part of the ArcGIS stack. They are the premier data structure to store and manage your GIS data based on a DBMS platform. With respect to ArcGIS Server, they are used as the "source" for data that powers web services - so they have been called "data stores" for ArcGIS Server. In this case, the term "data store" is a concept, which refers to registering your data source with ArcGIS Server.

The ArcGIS Data Store was introduced in the 10.3 release and is a stand alone installation component of ArcGIS Enterprise. It is based on PostgreSQL, managed internally by the software, and is meant to be used as part of a "hosting server" deployment with Portal for ArcGIS. In a hosting server deployment, you would install: Portal for ArcGIS + a federated Server site + the ArcGIS Data Store, this enables you to have a Web GIS deployment in your own infrastructure. At 10.5, this is now referred to as a base ArcGIS Enterprise deployment, which enables you to leverage all the capabilities that a Web GIS offers.

Base ArcGIS Enterprise deployment—Portal for ArcGIS (10.5) | ArcGIS Enterprise

I've also attached some ppt slides from my Advanced ArcGIS Server UC tech session that discusses these concepts.

Hope this helps,

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

MartinAmeskamp — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:08:54 GMT

Hi Derek, thanks for your reply - that clears things up a bit, if not completely. I have read the documentation and I appreciate the need for abstraction at this level. However, as someone who spends a lot of time troubleshooting performance issues, tuning databases, networks, disk access etc., I find that this abstraction is not enough to understand what to do if there are problems.

So from your answer I understand that the "ArcGIS Data Store" is basically a Postgres relational database that runs "under the hood" of ArcGIS Server and is completely managed by the software, i.e. there is no interface for an administrator of troubleshooter to look into if there are problems - correct?

Thanks again, Martin

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

DerekLaw — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 06:19:01 GMT

Hi Martin,

Yes, your statement is correct. And I agree that sometimes there is a need for some management tools for the ArcGIS Data Store. I suggest you add an enhancement request on the ideas forum, ArcGIS Ideas.

You're also welcome to email me your requirements directly: dlaw@esri.com.

Hope this helps,

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

MartinAmeskamp — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:16:44 GMT

Hi Derek,

thanks again - seeing a bit clearer now. I will do some experiments now, and if there are any more questions, I'll let you know.

Martin

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

AndiDerhemi1 — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 19:25:54 GMT

How to access and/or query ArcGIS DataStore tables/data from third party Reporting Software (CrystalReports, etc.)?

Hello,

I would like to know, if is there a way to access and/or query ArcGIS DataStore tables/data from third party Reporting Software like CrystalReports or other business intelligence software?

We are using ArcGIS DataStore as the managed database for ArcGIS Server, and the server is configured as a hosting server for Portal for ArcGIS. The DataStore has been configured as tilecache, relational and spatiotemporal database!

We can add registered databases (SQL Server) to ArcGIS Server, but the data collected through Survey123 are saved in the DataStore, and we need to access those data with CrystalReports.

Please send any info on how to achieve this.

Thank you!
Andi

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

George_Thompson — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 19:37:17 GMT

I would not suggest (or recommended) to access/query the DataStore tables as it could cause issue or make the DataStore unusable. As Derek Law‌ mentioned above it is managed by ArcGIS Enterprise and not an "open" DB to view.

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

AndiDerhemi1 — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 19:57:35 GMT

Hi George,

Thank you for your reply.

Yes, that may be the case, but when you use Survey123, the data (form collected data) can be stored only in an ArcGIS DataStore. And, I need to access such collected data through a third party reporting software in real time.

How can I achieve this by using this combination ArcGIS Server + Portal for ArcGIS + ArcGIS DataStore + Survey123 + Crystal Reports?

Best regards,

Andi

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

George_Thompson — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 20:08:46 GMT

Based on what I understand, I would say it is not possible at this time. You could create an ArcGIS Ideas‌ to have this type of functionality added.

#survey123 portal‌ #datastore‌ https://community.esri.com/groups/survey123?sr=search&searchId=3c890be2-3355-498d-a86c-6621267f62af&searchIndex=4‌ https://community.esri.com/community/gis/managing-data?sr=search&searchId=9ac4264e-2ccb-4df7-a0ac-cbf6e7305106&searchIndex=0‌

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

AndiDerhemi1 — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:01:36 GMT

Hi George,

Thank you for your suggestion.

Best regards,

Andi

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

PaulBrandt — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 13:03:11 GMT

I don't know Crystal Reports very well, and not being familiar with your requirements these ideas may not be viable, but you might look to see if there is a way to access the REST endpoint of the service that Survey123 is using in Crystal Reports. If that is not an option (I don't think it is based on my 1 minute search on Google), you could look into another middle ware such as FME (by Safe Software www.safe.com) or something like it to read the data from the service, and transform it in near real time or on a schedule to sync it to an external database. Thinking about it further, depending on your requirements, something similar might be possible with a Geoprocessing script/service that would run on a schedule, or ad-hoc before the report is generated.

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

Natalie_Runyan — Tue, 26 Sep 2017 18:58:56 GMT

I heard from a tech support analyst recently that I should consider integrating ArcGIS DataStore more completely because the future holds that Esri will only support services that are hosted in the ArcGIS Datastore. I can't believe that, given that we have infrastructure (DBA's, disaster recovery, servers) all built around protecting our data. How would they convince anyone to hide it in a locked postgres box?

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

DerekLaw — Thu, 05 Oct 2017 17:06:24 GMT

Hi Natalie,

> ... because the future holds that Esri will only support services that are hosted in the ArcGIS Datastore.

This statement is incorrect. Esri will continue to support feature services based on both enterprise geodatabase and ArcGIS Data Store sources.

Hope this helps,

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

BillFox — Fri, 06 Oct 2017 16:36:01 GMT

Hi Derek,

I found Greg Lehner's Blog Post: June 27, 2017 that helped too.

Do you know of a slide or two diagramming typical publishing workflows that can highlight this point of clarity?

GLehner-esristaff‌

Release of the Deprecated Features Plan for ArcGIS 10.5.1 | Support Services Blog

ArcGIS 10.5.1 is the last release to support anything other than the Data Store product as a data store for a Hosting Server.

Deprecated Features for ArcGIS 10.5.1

-Bill

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

DerekLaw — Fri, 06 Oct 2017 19:10:00 GMT

Hi Bill,

The note you referenced states that enterprise geodatabases will no longer be supported as part of a hosting server deployment, but this is SEPARATE and DIFFERENT from the concept that enterprise geodatabases can still be used as a valid data source to power web services.

FYI, please download the PDF from this blog post, https://community.esri.com/community/gis/enterprise-gis/arcgis-for-server/blog/2017/08/22/arcgis-enterprise-managing-arcgis-server

In the PDF file, slides 25, 29, 35, and 36 should help explain the difference.

Hope this helps,

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

SimonJackson — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:02:20 GMT

This video might also help explain a bit more info about the purpose of the ArcGIS Data Store (relational)

https://youtu.be/s1X2l-9LbIM?t=634

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

BillFox — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:36:20 GMT

Simon,

Thank you for the lovely presentation!

-Bill

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

CodyBarrett1 — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 19:19:41 GMT

Hi Derek,

Can the enterprise geodatabase(oracle) release( in our case 10.5.1) be higher than the ArcGIS Server release( in our case 10.4.1)?

Re: ArcGIS Data Store and RDBMS?

DerekLaw — Wed, 25 Apr 2018 15:51:43 GMT

Hi Cody,

Apologies for the late reply, I was working at a conference last week.

> Can the enterprise geodatabase(oracle) release( in our case 10.5.1) be higher than the ArcGIS Server release( in our case 10.4.1)?

If you mean to use the enterprise geodatabase as a valid data source to power web services - I think this should be ok. Although any new functionality available in the higher release geodatabase would NOT be accessible within the web service. I'm not even sure if there were any major functional changes.

While I have not personally tested this configuration, I am not aware of any issues that would arise from this deployment. Although the best and recommended option would be to have both your enterprise geodatabase and ArcGIS Server site at the same release.

Hope this helps,