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    <title>topic Re: Datum conversion from etrs89 to wgs84 in Developers Questions</title>
    <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/developers-questions/datum-conversion-from-etrs89-to-wgs84/m-p/68306#M397</link>
    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Transformations between ETRS89 en WGS84 are not straight forward.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Comprehensive explanation: ETRS89 is a European system, fixed to the Eurasian plate, where WGS is an international system (ITRS). Since ETRS89 was realized until today (2012), a difference of 50 to 60 centimeters has accrued between WGS84/ITRS and ETRS89 which continues to grow dynamically at a rate of approximately 2.5 centimeters annually. The difference varies depending upon the location of a given coordinate on the Eurasian plate, because the continent slowly but steadily rotates around the Earth center of mass.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;For direct measurements the conversion to or from ETRS89 is usually not necessary, as it in terms of the systemic high inaccuracy of several meters would not lead to a significant improvement. Here, the equating of WGS84 and ETRS89 can be tolerated.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If you have small scale maps where an error or mismatch between 0 till 60 centimetre is no problem, you can leave the coordinates as they are, and consider them as wgs84.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If you have large scale maps, where a high accuracy is necessary you need to take into account the epoch (datestamp) when the data was collected, and you need to find specific transformation parameters for that date.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:32:35 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>ArnoldKuilman</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2015-06-25T09:32:35Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Datum conversion from etrs89 to wgs84</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/developers-questions/datum-conversion-from-etrs89-to-wgs84/m-p/68304#M395</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;i have a chart with etrs89&amp;nbsp; coordinate system, i want to load the chart into wgs84 vector layer. Any one can help how to do this?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2015 07:38:10 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>RatikantaLenka</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-06-25T07:38:10Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Datum conversion from etrs89 to wgs84</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/developers-questions/datum-conversion-from-etrs89-to-wgs84/m-p/68305#M396</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Do they both have a defined coordinate system? &lt;A href="http://desktop.arcgis.com/en/desktop/latest/tools/data-management-toolbox/define-projection.htm" title="http://desktop.arcgis.com/en/desktop/latest/tools/data-management-toolbox/define-projection.htm"&gt;Define Projection—Help | ArcGIS for Desktop&lt;/A&gt; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Is the chart a raster? &lt;A href="http://desktop.arcgis.com/en/desktop/latest/tools/data-management-toolbox/project-raster.htm" title="http://desktop.arcgis.com/en/desktop/latest/tools/data-management-toolbox/project-raster.htm"&gt;Project Raster—Help | ArcGIS for Desktop&lt;/A&gt; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Have you tried projecting the vector data? &lt;A href="http://desktop.arcgis.com/en/desktop/latest/tools/data-management-toolbox/project.htm" title="http://desktop.arcgis.com/en/desktop/latest/tools/data-management-toolbox/project.htm"&gt;Project—Help | ArcGIS for Desktop&lt;/A&gt; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;have you tried reversing the order of adding them to a new dataframe?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In any event, whatever format they are, they both need to have a defined coordinate system or they have to be projected to a common one&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2015 08:35:23 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>DanPatterson_Retired</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-06-25T08:35:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Datum conversion from etrs89 to wgs84</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/developers-questions/datum-conversion-from-etrs89-to-wgs84/m-p/68306#M397</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Transformations between ETRS89 en WGS84 are not straight forward.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Comprehensive explanation: ETRS89 is a European system, fixed to the Eurasian plate, where WGS is an international system (ITRS). Since ETRS89 was realized until today (2012), a difference of 50 to 60 centimeters has accrued between WGS84/ITRS and ETRS89 which continues to grow dynamically at a rate of approximately 2.5 centimeters annually. The difference varies depending upon the location of a given coordinate on the Eurasian plate, because the continent slowly but steadily rotates around the Earth center of mass.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;For direct measurements the conversion to or from ETRS89 is usually not necessary, as it in terms of the systemic high inaccuracy of several meters would not lead to a significant improvement. Here, the equating of WGS84 and ETRS89 can be tolerated.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If you have small scale maps where an error or mismatch between 0 till 60 centimetre is no problem, you can leave the coordinates as they are, and consider them as wgs84.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If you have large scale maps, where a high accuracy is necessary you need to take into account the epoch (datestamp) when the data was collected, and you need to find specific transformation parameters for that date.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:32:35 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.esri.com/t5/developers-questions/datum-conversion-from-etrs89-to-wgs84/m-p/68306#M397</guid>
      <dc:creator>ArnoldKuilman</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-06-25T09:32:35Z</dc:date>
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