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    <title>topic unprojected MODIS with LAT/LON rasters in Data Management Questions</title>
    <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/data-management-questions/unprojected-modis-with-lat-lon-rasters/m-p/517717#M29365</link>
    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;We're doing a mixed-resolution comparison between MODIS and TM data.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I'm required to do the analysis using the original unprojected&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;MODIS 1km satellite raster.&amp;nbsp; The MODIS comes with a pair&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;of lat/lon rasters, in floating point, same size as the image&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;bands, indicating the latitude and longitude of each image pixel.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I'm working from raw MOD03, MOD021KM, MOD02QKM, etc from&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;LAADS through rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov and with TM from&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;glovis.usgs.gov.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Is there a mechanism in ArcGis 9.3.1 to use this information&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;to navigate the image, without first reprojecting to geographic&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;or UTM?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; There is a warp function, and I will eventually need to &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;pick matching landmarks.&amp;nbsp; The goal is to warp projected TM data&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;into the "satellite-projection" MODIS space. The TM is in UTM, &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;in meters, while the MODIS has lat/lon given (although is not in &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;an actual "geographic" projection).&amp;nbsp; The lat/lon does not progress &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;regularly across the image.&amp;nbsp; If I stick to a TM scene falling in the &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;center of the MODIS swath, the distortion is not too bad.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Do I need to transform the target lat/lons to some kind of relative&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;meter-based extents?&amp;nbsp; Can warp work from meters-&amp;gt;degrees?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;The snow classifications don't have any detail, so I'd have&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;to use the MODIS and TM images to pick landmarks and build&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;a file of correspondences, then apply this to the two snowmaps&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;to do the final warp.&amp;nbsp; I have ENVI and the MODIS-SWATH_MRT&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;available.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;We're investigating a MODIS snow cover classification scheme,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;and using the TM-derived snow as ground truth to examine fractional &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;snow cover.&amp;nbsp; The scene looks like a postage stamp affixed to&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;a poster, but blown up to 30m TM resolution, the MODIS drapes&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;over like a 1km checkerboard.&amp;nbsp; Counting the ratio of Snow/No_Snow TM pixels&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;falling in each MODIS box gives a good assessment of fractional snow cover. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;The big problem will be warping the TM scene (in UTM-17N) to the&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;MODIS (in satellite projection).&amp;nbsp; I plan to build a fishnet at 1km the&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;size of the smaller TM coverage, convert to polygon and use Zonal&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Statistics to make the count.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Do any of the standard raster/math/feature&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;operations refuse to work in an unprojected background?&amp;nbsp; Is there a &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;list anywhere?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Yes, I know this would be a trivial matter if I could project the MODIS&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;to match the TM in UTM, but I am required to do it in this ass-backwards &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;manner.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Tim Szeliga&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="mailto:timothy.szeliga@noaa.gov"&gt;timothy.szeliga@noaa.gov&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:23:35 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>TimSzeliga</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2010-12-29T19:23:35Z</dc:date>
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      <title>unprojected MODIS with LAT/LON rasters</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/data-management-questions/unprojected-modis-with-lat-lon-rasters/m-p/517717#M29365</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;We're doing a mixed-resolution comparison between MODIS and TM data.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I'm required to do the analysis using the original unprojected&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;MODIS 1km satellite raster.&amp;nbsp; The MODIS comes with a pair&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;of lat/lon rasters, in floating point, same size as the image&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;bands, indicating the latitude and longitude of each image pixel.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I'm working from raw MOD03, MOD021KM, MOD02QKM, etc from&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;LAADS through rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov and with TM from&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;glovis.usgs.gov.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Is there a mechanism in ArcGis 9.3.1 to use this information&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;to navigate the image, without first reprojecting to geographic&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;or UTM?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; There is a warp function, and I will eventually need to &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;pick matching landmarks.&amp;nbsp; The goal is to warp projected TM data&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;into the "satellite-projection" MODIS space. The TM is in UTM, &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;in meters, while the MODIS has lat/lon given (although is not in &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;an actual "geographic" projection).&amp;nbsp; The lat/lon does not progress &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;regularly across the image.&amp;nbsp; If I stick to a TM scene falling in the &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;center of the MODIS swath, the distortion is not too bad.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Do I need to transform the target lat/lons to some kind of relative&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;meter-based extents?&amp;nbsp; Can warp work from meters-&amp;gt;degrees?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;The snow classifications don't have any detail, so I'd have&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;to use the MODIS and TM images to pick landmarks and build&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;a file of correspondences, then apply this to the two snowmaps&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;to do the final warp.&amp;nbsp; I have ENVI and the MODIS-SWATH_MRT&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;available.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;We're investigating a MODIS snow cover classification scheme,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;and using the TM-derived snow as ground truth to examine fractional &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;snow cover.&amp;nbsp; The scene looks like a postage stamp affixed to&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;a poster, but blown up to 30m TM resolution, the MODIS drapes&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;over like a 1km checkerboard.&amp;nbsp; Counting the ratio of Snow/No_Snow TM pixels&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;falling in each MODIS box gives a good assessment of fractional snow cover. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;The big problem will be warping the TM scene (in UTM-17N) to the&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;MODIS (in satellite projection).&amp;nbsp; I plan to build a fishnet at 1km the&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;size of the smaller TM coverage, convert to polygon and use Zonal&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Statistics to make the count.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Do any of the standard raster/math/feature&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;operations refuse to work in an unprojected background?&amp;nbsp; Is there a &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;list anywhere?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Yes, I know this would be a trivial matter if I could project the MODIS&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;to match the TM in UTM, but I am required to do it in this ass-backwards &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;manner.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Tim Szeliga&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="mailto:timothy.szeliga@noaa.gov"&gt;timothy.szeliga@noaa.gov&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:23:35 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.esri.com/t5/data-management-questions/unprojected-modis-with-lat-lon-rasters/m-p/517717#M29365</guid>
      <dc:creator>TimSzeliga</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2010-12-29T19:23:35Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: unprojected MODIS with LAT/LON rasters</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/data-management-questions/unprojected-modis-with-lat-lon-rasters/m-p/517718#M29366</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Writing it out helped clarify the problem.&amp;nbsp; Since the MODIS comes with&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;LAT and LON rasters, I contoured them at whole degrees to clearly &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;identify the crossing points at (41, 90), (42, 90),..., (45, -99), (46, -99),&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;then noted down the associated raster (line, sample), still in the unprojected space.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Then, in another window, I took the UTM-projected TM data and displayed &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;the whole degree lat/lon grid.&amp;nbsp; This gave me a set of corresponding (x,y) points.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;From there I could throw away the actual latitude and longitude values&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;and build a table of MODIS_x, MODIS_y, TM_x, TM_y.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Should the TM be expressed as pixel-locations or UTM-meters?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Should all projection info for the TM be scrapped, treating it as a&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;raw raster?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;A five-minute MODIS section covers a much greater area (at lower spatial&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;resolution), so I needed work from a smaller clip that fully contains the TM,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;to minimize distortion, adjusting the numbers accordingly.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Mapping the TM straight to the MODIS projection is a problem, as the TM is 30m&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;and the MODIS is around 1000m.&amp;nbsp; It won't do to merely &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-style:italic;"&gt;warp&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt; TM to MODIS, &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;since the result would select one TM pixel out of a thousand to represent the value.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I need to fudge a raster 33.33 times the size of the original, increasing the &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;resolution, but keeping the same extents.&amp;nbsp; The new MODIS would look like a&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;checkerboard, with one value covering a large square and the TM filling the block&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;at normal res.&amp;nbsp; The goal is to count the pixels within each block, comparing the&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;MODIS fractional snow-covered area with the calculated FCSA from the TM.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Set snow as 1, bare-ground as 0 and cloud as NO_DATA, then a simple mean&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;calculates the FSCA.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I'll try &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-style:italic;"&gt;fishnet &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;to build a grid surrounding each big MODIS pixel, then &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Zonal stats&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt; to find the mean.&amp;nbsp; The first attempt made a polyline grid&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;and only computed stats along the lines.&amp;nbsp; Need to convert the grid to polygon squares,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;but it just runs for hours.&amp;nbsp; A smaller section completed in 34 hours.&amp;nbsp; I may have to&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;chop this into much smaller pieces and merge.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 17:06:39 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.esri.com/t5/data-management-questions/unprojected-modis-with-lat-lon-rasters/m-p/517718#M29366</guid>
      <dc:creator>TimSzeliga</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2011-01-01T17:06:39Z</dc:date>
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