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Orthorectifying GLOVIS images without RPC values

grahamlangley-edwards — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:39:39 GMT

Hello, I am using ArcGIS 10 and have several orthoimages (Landsat 4-5 TM) that I got from the GLOVIS site that I need to mosaic together and orthorectify. I don't have any experience with this, so some questions may be relatively basic. Some info about the images that may be helpful:

Number of bands - 3
Cellsize (X,Y) - 1,1
Format - JFIF
Pixel type - Unsigned integer
Pixel depth - 8 bit
Pyramids - Absent
Statistics have not been calculated

From what I understand, I need images that have RPC (Rational Polynomial Coefficient) values, and a DEM in order to orthorectify them. The images, however, have no RPC values associated with them, although I do have a DEM I can use. The images also don't have any spatial reference, so I can't mosaic them together. Furthermore, I have no idea what the original geographic coordinate system was, so I can't use Define Projection to rectify that problem.

Basically I need to know if it is possible to orthorectify images that don't have RPC values, or if I can calculate them, and how I can figure out a spatial reference for the images as well.

Any help would be much appreciated!

Graham

Re: Orthorectifying GLOVIS images without RPC values

grahamlangley-edwards — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:54:13 GMT

I should add that the spatial reference for the image is an invalid extent, which means that I will most likely have to georeference the images, correct? If so, the images are at 30m resolution and don't provide much detail close up. Assuming that I could find a layer that I could georeference the images to, I don't see how I could accurately do the job because of the lack of clarity close up. Yikes, help!

Thanks,

Graham

Re: Orthorectifying GLOVIS images without RPC values

MelanieHarlow — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:55:02 GMT

At a 30 m resolution you should still be able to distinguish major features like road intersections and other boundaries. Do you have a vector dataset for the same area that you could georeference the images to? If not, you might open one of the basemaps in ArcMap or get a layer from ArcGIS.com.
You can't orthorectify, but you can georeference. There is a georeferencing video that should be helpful:
http://video.arcgis.com/watch/376/georeferencing-rasters-in-arcgis

However, the fact that you're calling them orthoimages, implies to me that they've been orthorectified, so maybe they've just lost their spatial referencing. In this case you only need to collect a few tie points.

Also, I recommend building the pyramids and calculating statistics - it makes displaying and working with them better. Try using the Build Pyramids And Statistics tool.

To mosaic, you can build a mosaic dataset, or use one of the mosaicking tools.

Re: Orthorectifying GLOVIS images without RPC values

grahamlangley-edwards — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:23:04 GMT

Hi, thanks for your reply. I don't think that the images have been orthorectified previously because they are just raw satellite images. Perhaps I should have called them simply satellite images, but I am kind of new to this world. I am in the process of georeferencing, thanks for your suggestions about the pyramid building and the statistics. So, assuming I can georeference the images, is there a way I can calculate the RPC values in order to rectify the images, or to rectify without RPC values??

Thanks again,

Graham

Re: Orthorectifying GLOVIS images without RPC values

grahamlangley-edwards — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:17:07 GMT

Hi, I am still having trouble seeing anything in any detail up close, even after building the pyramids (level 4, bilinear) and calculating statistics. There is no way I can make out any roads or definable features to georeference to. I tried resampling to a smaller pixel size, but it didn't help. Also, I can't find any information on calculating RPC values, so I am really confused as to how one can orthorectify satellite images if RPC values are necesary, yet you are unable to calculate them. Thanks again for any help!

Graham

Re: Orthorectifying GLOVIS images without RPC values

grahamlangley-edwards — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:41:44 GMT

Please, please, please help......

Re: Orthorectifying GLOVIS images without RPC values

grahamlangley-edwards — Tue, 06 Mar 2012 18:58:49 GMT

Anyone, anyone. Bueller....Bueller.....

Re: Orthorectifying GLOVIS images without RPC values

RaphaelMawrence1 — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 23:47:25 GMT

Bueller.. Bueller..... but seriously, I need help with the same issue.