topic Re: �??Backward�?� type has no effect on the composite relationship, in Data Management Questions

???Backward??? type has no effect on the composite relationship,

Anonymous User — Sat, 05 Apr 2014 18:37:37 GMT

Original User: Jamal432@gmail.com

�??Backward�?� type has no effect on the composite relationship,

I have two layers B and C. I wanted to create a composite relationship between these two layers:

�?� Layer B is set as origin and layer C is set as destination

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32835[/ATTACH]

�?� The relationship is set to be composite

�?� The relationship is set to be �??Backward�?�

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32836[/ATTACH]

Now, as a feature of the C layer (destination) is moved, the related feature in the B layer (origin) doesn�??t move.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32837[/ATTACH], [ATTACH=CONFIG]32838[/ATTACH]

What might be the issue here?

Thank you

Best

Jamal

Re: �??Backward�?� type has no effect on the composite relationship,

Anonymous User — Sat, 05 Apr 2014 18:55:20 GMT

Original User: crafty762

Hi Jamal,

Other than deleting features, a configuration involving composite relationship class with backward direction will require require custom programming. Please see the note "No other effect unless custom behavior is programmed" listed in the chart about two-thirds of the way down in the Relationship Class Properties help section. You can swap your destination and origin and then change the relationship class properties to use composite with forward direction, OR you can simply modify you current configuration and change the direction flow to Both rather than Backward.

Re: �??Backward�?� type has no effect on the composite relationship,

JamalNUMAN — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 17:58:01 GMT

Hi Jamal,

Other than deleting features, a configuration involving composite relationship class with backward direction will require require custom programming. Please see the note "No other effect unless custom behavior is programmed" listed in the chart about two-thirds of the way down in the Relationship Class Properties help section. You can swap your destination and origin and then change the relationship class properties to use composite with forward direction, OR you can simply modify you current configuration and change the direction flow to Both rather than Backward.

Many thanks William for the input.

I selected the type to be �??Both�?� nevertheless, as the destination features layer are moved, their related features in the origin layer are not.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32849[/ATTACH], [ATTACH=CONFIG]32850[/ATTACH], [ATTACH=CONFIG]32851[/ATTACH], [ATTACH=CONFIG]32852[/ATTACH]

In the screenshot below, the feature number 5 (of the destination layer) is moved with its related feature in the origin layer is not

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32853[/ATTACH]

What might be the issue here? What is the advantage of having Backward, Both and none options?

Re: �??Backward�?� type has no effect on the composite relationship,

Anonymous User — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 18:12:46 GMT

Original User: crafty762

Interesting. What happens if you move/rotate a feature in the origin? Does the related feature in the destination move as a result? Also, are you using an ArcView, ArcEditor, or ArcInfo license?

Re: �??Backward�?� type has no effect on the composite relationship,

JamalNUMAN — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 18:49:27 GMT

Interesting. What happens if you move/rotate a feature in the origin? Does the related feature in the destination move as a result? Also, are you using an ArcView, ArcEditor, or ArcInfo license?

Thanks William.

My license is advanced (ArcInfo)

With the �??Both�?� option: Yes. If the origin is moved then the destination is moved

[ATTACH=CONFIG]32854[/ATTACH], [ATTACH=CONFIG]32855[/ATTACH]

Re: �??Backward�?� type has no effect on the composite relationship,

Anonymous User — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 18:55:57 GMT

Original User: crafty762

That's great! So yes, depending on which feature class should be moved and which should move as a result (related) you would set up your relationship class accordingly using composite and "Both". Does this answer your question?

Re: �??Backward�?� type has no effect on the composite relationship,

JamalNUMAN — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 19:51:37 GMT

That's great! So yes, depending on which feature class should be moved and which should move as a result (related) you would set up your relationship class accordingly using composite and "Both". Does this answer your question?

Thanks William.

My issue here is that I couldn�??t understand the effect of selecting Backward\Both\None options

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�?� If the type is set to be FORWARD, then if a feature of the origin layer is edited then its related feature in the destination layer is edited similarly as well. In return, editing the features of destination layer has no effect on the origin layer

�?� If the type is set to be BACKWARD, then if a feature of the origin layer is edited then its related feature in the destination layer is NOT edited. Likely, editing a feature of destination layer has no effect on the origin layer

�?� If the type is set to be BOTH: the behavior is the same as in FORWARD.

�?� If the type is set to be NONE: the behavior is the same as in BACKWARD.

Why the behavior is repeated in "BOTH" and "NONE" types?

Re: �??Backward�?� type has no effect on the composite relationship,

Anonymous User — Sun, 06 Apr 2014 21:46:51 GMT

Original User: crafty762

Based on my understanding of the chart from the link I posted earlier in this thread, and based on the results of your testing, I am just as curious as you are about these settings. For both simple and composite relationships, the chart seems clear in describing the intended behavior but for whatever reason the observed behavior is different. Perhaps other members of the forum, and/or someone from Esri, will comment on their experiences with relationship classes.

Re: �??Backward�?� type has no effect on the composite relationship,

JamalNUMAN — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 18:20:34 GMT

Based on my understanding of the chart from the link I posted earlier in this thread, and based on the results of your testing, I am just as curious as you are about these settings. For both simple and composite relationships, the chart seems clear in describing the intended behavior but for whatever reason the observed behavior is different. Perhaps other members of the forum, and/or someone from Esri, will comment on their experiences with relationship classes.

Thanks William.

No other option. I wait the input of ESRI experts.

Best

Jamal

Re: ???Backward??? type has no effect on the composite relationship,

JamalNUMAN — Sat, 09 Jan 2021 06:05:39 GMT

Not sure if experts can help on this. The data is attached