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    <title>topic Re: Georeference-Choosing right Coordinate System in Coordinate Reference Systems Questions</title>
    <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/coordinate-reference-systems-questions/georeference-choosing-right-coordinate-system/m-p/853256#M1487</link>
    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Total noob here, so this might just be the blind leading the blind but here goes nothing:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The short: It might just be your current coordinate system, try setting the data frame to something else. (Why? I have no idea, but here's what I've noticed...)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The long:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a lot of data downloaded from the US National Forest Service which all uses GCS_North_American_1983. I've noticed the same exact thing about working in that coordinate system, everything seems stretched horizontally/squashed vertically.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But when I say everything, I literally mean &lt;EM&gt;everything&lt;/EM&gt;. If I add a satellite imagery base map from arc online, it too will be stretched horizontally. The same goes for any other data from any other source I add to the map, including KML's exported from Google Earth.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;US National Forest Boundary Data in its native projection&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN&gt;GCS_North_American_1983. ESRI Imagery basemap underneath. 1:12,000,000 scale.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG __jive_id="462043" alt="" class="jive-emoji image-1 jive-image j-img-original" src="/legacyfs/online/462043_GCS North American 1983.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It's only until I switch my coordinate system for the data frame (for example, to a state plane projection) that things get un-squashed/stretched and look right.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Data Frame Set to WGS_1984_Web_Mercator_Auxiliary_Sphere. (This is the projected coordinate system that the ESRI Imagery basemap is native to). 1:12,000,000 scale.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG __jive_id="462065" alt="" class="jive-emoji jive-image image-2 j-img-original" src="/legacyfs/online/462065_WGS 1984 Web Mercator Auxiliary Sphere.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Similarly, here's another example. This is zoomed into i90 on Snoqualmie Pass in Washington state. The &lt;EM&gt;only&lt;/EM&gt; difference between these two maps is the projection. Pretty stark difference.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG alt="Extremely different results between map coordinate systems." class="jive-emoji jive-image image-3 j-img-original" src="/legacyfs/online/462066_GCS 1983 vs State Plane WA 4602.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:21:18 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>RenoGregory</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2019-10-16T20:21:18Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Georeference-Choosing right Coordinate System</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/coordinate-reference-systems-questions/georeference-choosing-right-coordinate-system/m-p/853255#M1486</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;First of all this is my first post here and also the first post about GIS so sorry if i'll talk nonsense here.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have an large jpeg and also tiff which are the same map(image) 45568x37632 which i have downloaded it from Google Earth with Google Maps Downloader.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I want to georeference one of those(jpeg or tiff file) in ArcMap 10.4&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;With Google Maps Downloader you can create a georeferenced tiff;so i opened this in ArcMap but it came stretched horizontally like that&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG alt="" class="image-2 jive-image j-img-original" src="https://community.esri.com/legacyfs/online/270712_Untitled-02.jpg" style="width: 620px; height: 348px;" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here are the properties:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG alt="" class="image-1 jive-image j-img-original" src="https://community.esri.com/legacyfs/online/270711_Untitled-01.jpg" style="height: auto;" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG alt="" class="image-3 jive-image j-img-original" src="https://community.esri.com/legacyfs/online/270719_Untitled-03.jpg" style="height: auto;" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I tried also with the jpeg which was not georeferenced in Google Maps Downloader&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I understand that Google Maps use WGS1984 Coordinate System so i used that with the jpeg.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The Data Frame Properties is also set to WGS1984&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I used control points with coordinates taken from Google Earth in Decimal Degrees,but after I applied them(georeference)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;the jpeg layer came stretched like the georeferenced tiff with Google Maps Downloader.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is the original jpeg:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG alt="" class="image-4 jive-image j-img-original" src="https://community.esri.com/legacyfs/online/270720_Untitled-1.jpg" style="width: 620px; height: 348px;" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;and here is after using control points:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG alt="" class="image-5 jive-image j-img-original" src="https://community.esri.com/legacyfs/online/270721_Untitled-02.jpg" style="width: 620px; height: 348px;" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So what's the catch here?What I'm doing wrong?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Second issue: I tried to rectify the georeferenced tiff(which has 1.63 GB) and it took 10 hours to save it,and the result was only black tiff,over 12 GB.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Is that normal? &amp;nbsp;I'm on Windows 8.1 Pro,I74790,16gb ram,GTX 770&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Third issue:Does anybody knows by the way,why this image has that darkened bottom part in Google Earth? because in Google Maps it doesn't have it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Or if somebody knows a way to download very high resolution images like this one,from Google Earth/Maps but to be able to download from historical imagery?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank You and I apologize if I'm asking too much.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2016 20:30:02 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.esri.com/t5/coordinate-reference-systems-questions/georeference-choosing-right-coordinate-system/m-p/853255#M1486</guid>
      <dc:creator>PetruPetcov</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-11-24T20:30:02Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Georeference-Choosing right Coordinate System</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/coordinate-reference-systems-questions/georeference-choosing-right-coordinate-system/m-p/853256#M1487</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Total noob here, so this might just be the blind leading the blind but here goes nothing:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The short: It might just be your current coordinate system, try setting the data frame to something else. (Why? I have no idea, but here's what I've noticed...)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The long:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a lot of data downloaded from the US National Forest Service which all uses GCS_North_American_1983. I've noticed the same exact thing about working in that coordinate system, everything seems stretched horizontally/squashed vertically.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But when I say everything, I literally mean &lt;EM&gt;everything&lt;/EM&gt;. If I add a satellite imagery base map from arc online, it too will be stretched horizontally. The same goes for any other data from any other source I add to the map, including KML's exported from Google Earth.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;US National Forest Boundary Data in its native projection&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN&gt;GCS_North_American_1983. ESRI Imagery basemap underneath. 1:12,000,000 scale.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG __jive_id="462043" alt="" class="jive-emoji image-1 jive-image j-img-original" src="/legacyfs/online/462043_GCS North American 1983.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It's only until I switch my coordinate system for the data frame (for example, to a state plane projection) that things get un-squashed/stretched and look right.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Data Frame Set to WGS_1984_Web_Mercator_Auxiliary_Sphere. (This is the projected coordinate system that the ESRI Imagery basemap is native to). 1:12,000,000 scale.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG __jive_id="462065" alt="" class="jive-emoji jive-image image-2 j-img-original" src="/legacyfs/online/462065_WGS 1984 Web Mercator Auxiliary Sphere.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Similarly, here's another example. This is zoomed into i90 on Snoqualmie Pass in Washington state. The &lt;EM&gt;only&lt;/EM&gt; difference between these two maps is the projection. Pretty stark difference.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;IMG alt="Extremely different results between map coordinate systems." class="jive-emoji jive-image image-3 j-img-original" src="/legacyfs/online/462066_GCS 1983 vs State Plane WA 4602.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:21:18 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.esri.com/t5/coordinate-reference-systems-questions/georeference-choosing-right-coordinate-system/m-p/853256#M1487</guid>
      <dc:creator>RenoGregory</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-10-16T20:21:18Z</dc:date>
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