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The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

DaleJackson1 — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:44:34 GMT

I may be overlooking something, but the Alaska geographic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

In going from NAD27 to NAD83, I'm using the transformation:
NAD_27_To_NAD_1983_Alaska

When I open an mxd project in ArcGIS 10.2, the NAD27 polygons are projected on the fly correctly to their corresponding NAD83 positions.

When I open the same mxd project in ArcGIS 10.4, the NAD27 polygons are projected on the fly incorrectly.

In ArcGIS 10.4, the NAD27 polygons appear to be projected on the fly by using the NADCON (lower 48) transformation instead of the 'NAD_27_To_NAD_1983_Alaska' transformation that is set in the project.

The same problem occurs in trying to use the 'Project' tool to project the data to NAD83. The polygons appear to be projected using the NADCON (lower 48) transformation.

In this example, I'm going from

NAD_1927_StatePlane_Alaska_6_FIPS_5006

NAD_1983_StatePlane_Alaska_6_FIPS_5006_Feet

by trying to use the 'NAD_27_To_NAD_1983_Alaska' transformation

I've read somewhere that, new to ArcGIS 10.4, ArcGIS 10.4 is supposed to 'sense' the position of the data and, somehow, automatically apply the correct nadcon transformation.

Is this a bug in ArcGIS 10.4, or am I overlooking something?

Other Alaska transformations appear to have the same problem in ArcGIS 10.4

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thank You.

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

DanPatterson_Retired — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:02:10 GMT

there were some words about alaska and projections here but I haven't read in detail, but FYI in any event Higher Accuracy AK State Plane Projection?

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

FrankPanaro — Wed, 18 May 2016 23:09:24 GMT

I think there is indeed a bug, I'm having the same exact issue since upgrading to 10.4.

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

DanPatterson_Retired — Wed, 18 May 2016 23:50:08 GMT

Rebecca Strauch, GISP Rebecca, do you have any scoop on this? This thread has been floating around for a while.

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

RebeccaStrauch__GISP — Thu, 19 May 2016 00:05:03 GMT

I'm not an expert on projections and/or transformations, and haven't fully upgraded to 10.4...so no experience yet.

The thread you mentioned Dan has to two I would recommend giving the best info Melita Kennedy and Joel Cusick but I'll also tag the Alaska GIS Users site in case others have insight and/or are interested.

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

FrankPanaro — Thu, 19 May 2016 00:06:56 GMT

Thanks Dan,

And can you look into when they are going to solve the ArcScene not exporting a 3D VMRL file correctly as well? I know that’s an ongoing issue and I tried for the first time with 10.4 yesterday and it was still a problem.

Cheers,

Frank

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Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

DanPatterson_Retired — Thu, 19 May 2016 00:20:53 GMT

you mean there are problems with this in Exporting a 3D VRML model in ArcScene—Help | ArcGIS for Desktop

If so, I didn't hear anything... probably a projection problem

but Pro's documentation... Supported formats with the Data Interoperability extension—ArcGIS Pro | ArcGIS for Desktop has two incarnations of VRML one a reader and a new version as a writer but I haven't tested it

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

FrankPanaro — Thu, 19 May 2016 00:28:32 GMT

Yes, I was on the phone with tech support about this issue earlier in the year and they told me it was a known issue. The file created is empty of content, I’ll have to see if I can find my email from tech support on this for reference

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Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

RebeccaStrauch__GISP — Thu, 19 May 2016 00:41:17 GMT

I'm going to move this thread from "community help" to Coordinate Reference Systems

(my first move)

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

FrankPanaro — Thu, 19 May 2016 00:45:20 GMT

Thanks! And FYI, a co-worker of mine is having the same exact issue as well since upgrading to 10.4.

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Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

RebeccaStrauch__GISP — Thu, 19 May 2016 00:50:26 GMT

Good to know....even if that isn't necessarily good news. I typically work with Alaska Albers, not State Plane, but if there are issues, that is another reason to hold off on upgrading to 10.4.

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

FrankPanaro — Thu, 19 May 2016 16:53:10 GMT

Too late for a bunch of us ☹ We work mostly in State Plane and for some reason still get people giving us data in NAD 27 so this is a big deal to us.

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Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

MelitaKennedy — Thu, 19 May 2016 18:28:57 GMT

Yes, it's a bug, BUG-000096290. The NADCON/HARN Alaska, Guam, Rota, and Saipan grid files are not working. The bug is in 10.4.1 as well. We have a fix that we're currently testing in development and are working to get a hot-fix/patch out as soon as we can.

Melita

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

FrankPanaro — Thu, 19 May 2016 18:32:10 GMT

Thanks!

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Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

JohnSchweisinger — Fri, 20 May 2016 05:53:13 GMT

What happens when you add a projected shapefile to the map? What does the map show as a cord system?

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

FrankPanaro — Fri, 20 May 2016 16:31:02 GMT

The new shapefile’s properties say the file is in the new projection (NAD83) even though the points are still in the old NAD27 locations.

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Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

MelitaKennedy — Fri, 20 May 2016 17:51:00 GMT

It looks like the transformation is working, but coordinates are not changed. Internally, the grid file's extent is messed up so points in Alaska (for instance) aren't found to be inside the grid file's extent. It affected Alaska because the grid file crosses the date line. Samoa and the Mariana grids were affected because of another check that's done for American Samoa. However, American Samoa's grid file is working (as is Hawaii's).

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

MelitaKennedy — Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:27:51 GMT

UPDATE, 14 June 2016: The 10.4.0 patches for Desktop, Server, Engine, Reader, Server (Linux), Background processing for Desktop and Server should be available later this week/early next week. Engine (Linux) is still being worked on.

UPDATE, 16 June 2016: I've verified the 10.4.1 patches except for the Engine (Linux)--it's also still being worked on.

We're currently waiting for someone to approve the website page's text, etc. We do not plan to wait for the Engine (Linux) patches before making the rest available.

Melita

Re: The Alaska geograpic transformations do not seem to be working in ArcGIS 10.4.

AdamEversole1 — Thu, 22 Sep 2016 17:55:45 GMT

Just downloaded the patch below and this transformation is working for me now in 10.4.

ArcGIS for (Desktop, Engine, Server) NADCON transformations for Alaska, Guam, Rota, and Saipan Patch