topic Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object in ArcGIS Utility Network Questions

Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

chiaramallegni_84 — Thu, 05 Jan 2023 10:57:51 GMT

Hi everyone,
I'm working with ESRI Solution Communications Utility Network Foundation which massively uses no spatial Objects, for example Tier communication Circuits and switch are composed only of no Spatial Objects.

I need to generate the feature in the FC Communication Subnetline deriving from the path of the Strands (Edge Object) contained in the Cable (Line), starting from subnetwork Controller Connector and Switch which are No Spatial Object belonging to the Tier Communication Circuit and Switch.

It's possible to do it?

How can I configure the model to get this result when I call GP the update subnetwork?

Thank's a lot!

Chiara

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

MikeMillerGIS — Thu, 05 Jan 2023 11:38:46 GMT

We cannot do this with update subnetwork, but we can do this with a Trace. You can run a subnetwork trace and select Include Containers and Aggregated Geometry. This will return a line for the containers, so the cables, the strand is in.

We have created a tool, that will build the aggregated geometry for your subnetworks, but it does not allow you to override settings of a subnetwork definition, but we could look at exposing that if that will help you

We also have a batch trace that might work too, but that uses a trace configuration, so we would need to make a trace configuration per subnetwork definition, that includes content, and then you would need to pass a series of starting points into it. I am leaning towards providing some overrides in the Subnetwork Aggregator

You can find Batch Trace and Subnetwork Aggregator here - https://github.com/Esri/Utility-Data-Management-Support-Tools

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

chiaramallegni_84 — Thu, 05 Jan 2023 15:11:33 GMT

Thanks a lot for the quick response, I appreciate it :).
I tried to use the tool you recommended but, unless I messed something up, the result is a geometry with length 0.
I believe that in the hierarchical communication network that uses strands as non-spatial objects it is really useful to be able to visualize the subnetlines as feature, built with the related strand (cable) containers like trace does. Could be a new idea 🙂

Anyway, Thank's again.

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

MikeMillerGIS — Thu, 05 Jan 2023 18:44:16 GMT

Yes, the tool currently only uses the subnetwork definition, which does not have Include Containers checked because we do not want to burden Update Subnetwork writing all the subnetwork names to the cable. I have an idea on how to enhance the tool to use a alternative subnetwork definition. If I get I working, I will update this post with a link to the tool. For now, you need to run trace.

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

MikeMillerGIS — Fri, 06 Jan 2023 09:26:23 GMT

Here is a version of the subnetwork aggregator that might work for this use case.

You must create a trace configuration based on the subnetwork definition, but select Include Container. Add a tag to that Configuration call SubnetworkOverride and then another tag, this one can be anything.

This toolbox also has the trace to trace config tool which will help set up the trace config. Fill out a Subnetwork Trace with the properties you want, make sure to select Include Containers. Copy that python and you can input that into the trace to trace config tool(in the same attached toolbox). Make sure to fill out the tags of SubnetworkOverride and something else. Tags are separated by new lines, not commas.

You will select that other tag when you run the tool

UtilityDataManagementSupport.atbx

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

chiaramallegni_84 — Mon, 09 Jan 2023 16:35:37 GMT

Dear MikeMiller,

Thanks a lot for your solution. It's really useful.

Unfortunately the necessary option "include up to first spatial content" which allows to select only cables that contain strands (excluding structure) is avaiable only for Trace configuration tool, not for set Subnetowrk Definition in whitch there is only the "include container" option. The result of your "subnetwok aggregator" tool polyline then includes the structure, not only the cable that is the necessary container.

For better understandig the first is the result of aggregator (green line - 11 part), and the second the trace (selection - 3 cable):

Chiara

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

MikeMillerGIS — Tue, 10 Jan 2023 16:56:37 GMT

This tool does not require changing the subnetwork definition. It will use a trace configuration to override the subnetwork definition. This is identified by tags.

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

chiaramallegni_84 — Wed, 11 Jan 2023 10:22:18 GMT

Hi Mike,

I tried to follow your suggestion. Without changing subnetwork definition the result is still a null polyline (lenght = 0).

We also noticed that the FC output has no M, which is useful for LRS. Is there a way to switch output and add it?

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

MikeMillerGIS — Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:08:39 GMT

Please export your trace configuration to csv so I can see what is going on. Also, share a screen shot or the python call for how you ran the tool. I am suspecting that it is not finding the trace config correctly

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

chiaramallegni_84 — Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:59:28 GMT

Hi Mike,

First of all an important information we are working with release 2.9.4.

following your request:

Trace configuration:

subnetwork_aggregator:

Thanks a lot!

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

MikeMillerGIS — Fri, 13 Jan 2023 02:22:17 GMT

You need to add another tag, SubnetworkOverride

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

chiaramallegni_84 — Fri, 13 Jan 2023 09:30:40 GMT

Hi Mike,

I'm probably doing something wrong but even with the SubnetworkOverride tag the result is the same: null geometry. (These are some more tests I did: SubnetworkOverride set as first tag, SubnetworkOverride set as second tag, SubnetworkOverride set as single tag).

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

MikeMillerGIS — Fri, 13 Jan 2023 11:11:50 GMT

Your trace type is downstream, the will only load trace types of Subnetwork. Do you want to use a downstream trace? I can remove that restriction.

Also, turn on debugging, this will provide more info

open the toolbox and load the Subnetwork tool to the GP Pane

Open a python command prompt and type the following

import udms

udms.logger.setLevel('DEBUG')

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

chiaramallegni_84 — Fri, 13 Jan 2023 13:51:59 GMT

Thanks, with sunbnetwork trace solve it works!

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

FcoJavierRojas — Mon, 07 Jul 2025 23:01:13 GMT

Hi Mike,

We are facing the same issue, with the Trace Tool we are able to see the desired result, then with Subnetwork Aggregator we are able to see the Subnetwork geometry , Points, Polylines in the output GDB , however the Subnetwork inside UN has SHAPE_LENGHT = 0 and No geometry (No vertices).

As from my understanding this is solved by the tool you uploaded to this post using the special tag SubnetworkOverrides, however it is not available now, the URL returns an error.

UtilityDataManagementSupport.atbx

Could you upload it again?.

Regards,

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

MikeMillerGIS — Mon, 07 Jul 2025 20:06:01 GMT

You can always find the most current versions of USDM here - https://github.com/Esri/Utility-Data-Management-Support-Tools

Your subnetline line row is probably correct, it looks like there are no transmission mains in that subnetwork and you are probably only aggregator those.

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

FcoJavierRojas — Tue, 08 Jul 2025 04:26:34 GMT

Hi Mike,

We are using ArcGIS Pro 2.9.12 / AGEnt 10.9.1, the UDMS Tools available in the URL runs on 3.1 and above, so we tested using ArcGIS 3.2.4. (Is there a prior 3.0 version of the UDMS Tool?)

Despite the fact, the trace result is being shown (trace type=Subnetwork), we tried both using only "SubnetworkOverride" tag and adding other, everything runs fine, but the Subnet Line with No Geometry is still the same.

We must point put that the are working on Water System Tier with the appropiate changes to use the reservoir as network controller.

Also we tried "Downstream" Trace Config, reading other posts they reffer that it should work with subnetwork trace type and Include Containers checked.

Here are some ScreenShots as well the JSON files for both Trace.

Regards,

Re: Configuring Subnetwork with no Spatial Object

MikeMillerGIS — Tue, 08 Jul 2025 09:09:06 GMT

What are you trying to achieve? If you want your subnetline to have geometry, you must update your subnetwork definition to include distribution mains. You are only aggregating transmission mains now. The Subnetwork Aggregator will not change your subnetline, it will create a new output GDB.

Also, the Subnetwork Aggregator should be showing a dropdown if it finds the trace configurations, like this:

I am not sure why it is not. You need both the SubnetworkOverride tag and another tag to display.