https://community.esri.com/t5/arcgis-pro-questions/grid-true-magnetic-tm-topo-north-arrow-rotation-at/m-p/1275904#M67640 <P>My map/layout area is at the western edge of a UTM zone in Alaska, about 30 km east-west in extent, where (I think):</P><OL><LI>grid north is "up" (UTM; 0 degrees rotation on the screen/page)</LI><LI>true north is about 2.5 degrees east of grid north</LI><LI>magnetic north is about 10 degrees east of true north</LI></OL><P>When I add "individual" north arrows to the layout (Grid, True, Magnetic), they appear to be dynamically rotated according the map. That's good.</P><P>But when I add the TM or Topo "compound" north arrows to the layout, they do not appear to be rotated according to the map.</P><UL><LI>the TM north arrow is rotated such that true north is just east of "up", and grid north is several degrees west of "up"; so, not rotated enough to the east</LI><LI>the Topo north arrow shows true north as "up" (no rotation?)</LI><LI>the relative positions of the arrows seem OK; it's just not rotated or rotated enough</LI></UL><P>I haven't found a combination of options (Update Dynamically on/off; Declination Date, etc. ) that results in grid north being "up", for the TM or Topo north arrows. I'd like to use the Topo north arrow, but am I asking too much of it, or misunderstanding a difference between the Topo north arrow and the other individual north arrows?</P><P>I may resort to rotating the map/layout such that true north us up, and see if the Topo north arrow then agrees with the map. Thanks for any advice or workaround suggestions.</P> Wed, 05 Apr 2023 18:04:51 GMT ChrisWyatt 2023-04-05T18:04:51Z https://community.esri.com/t5/arcgis-pro-questions/grid-true-magnetic-tm-topo-north-arrow-rotation-at/m-p/1275904#M67640 <P>My map/layout area is at the western edge of a UTM zone in Alaska, about 30 km east-west in extent, where (I think):</P><OL><LI>grid north is "up" (UTM; 0 degrees rotation on the screen/page)</LI><LI>true north is about 2.5 degrees east of grid north</LI><LI>magnetic north is about 10 degrees east of true north</LI></OL><P>When I add "individual" north arrows to the layout (Grid, True, Magnetic), they appear to be dynamically rotated according the map. That's good.</P><P>But when I add the TM or Topo "compound" north arrows to the layout, they do not appear to be rotated according to the map.</P><UL><LI>the TM north arrow is rotated such that true north is just east of "up", and grid north is several degrees west of "up"; so, not rotated enough to the east</LI><LI>the Topo north arrow shows true north as "up" (no rotation?)</LI><LI>the relative positions of the arrows seem OK; it's just not rotated or rotated enough</LI></UL><P>I haven't found a combination of options (Update Dynamically on/off; Declination Date, etc. ) that results in grid north being "up", for the TM or Topo north arrows. I'd like to use the Topo north arrow, but am I asking too much of it, or misunderstanding a difference between the Topo north arrow and the other individual north arrows?</P><P>I may resort to rotating the map/layout such that true north us up, and see if the Topo north arrow then agrees with the map. Thanks for any advice or workaround suggestions.</P> Wed, 05 Apr 2023 18:04:51 GMT https://community.esri.com/t5/arcgis-pro-questions/grid-true-magnetic-tm-topo-north-arrow-rotation-at/m-p/1275904#M67640 ChrisWyatt 2023-04-05T18:04:51Z