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ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

KelseyKatro — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:18:50 GMT

Who designed ArcGIS Pro?

It is absolutely the most cumbersome piece of software I have ever used!

It is so poorly designed compared to ArcMap, which is awesome. QGIS is not as difficult as ArcGIS Pro.

I have a strong feeling, if something is not done to correct this piece of shist, it will go the way of the dodo!!!!

It has such a huge learning curve and poor functionality I am sure most will reject it and you will need to keep making ArcMap.

The whole Microsoft toolbar approach is absurd. It may work on small programs such as Word or Excel, but using it on software as complex as ArcGIS Pro........not a chance for success. My work takes twice as long to do with Pro and I am sure this feeling is not mutually exclusive.

Give me ArcMap or Give me Death!!!!

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

JoeBorgione — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:36:19 GMT

In yesterday's plenary session I believe it was Jack Dangermond who quoted Darwin:

It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change.

Just sayin....

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

TedKowal — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:43:16 GMT

Could this simply be a learning curve thing? I am not a lover of toolbars...but in most apps where there in use...I have found ways of modifing them to suit my needs. EG I programmed a custom toolbar for Excel to fit my needs! Looking at the project road map, it appears that most everything in ArcMap is being ported over....

Personally, I will not be moving over due to the one thing that will not be ported over to ArcMap (MSACCESS) personal geodatabase. The requirement that all personal geodatabases must be converted to file base ones (A database that third party applications cannot read, nor does it handle standard ANSI SQL) is a show stopper for me.

If you agree vote here toEnable ArcGIS Pro to access ESRI Personal Geodatabases

My experience in using ARC GIS Pro:

ARC GIS Pro Data Sharing

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

MichaelVolz — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 08:21:30 GMT

Tom:

Are you by any chance using Attribute Assistant (AA) to update SDE feature classes that are contained in feature datasets? If you are, you want want to look at this link and see the caveats to this setup as Pro with Attribute Rules (AR) is not even close right now to matching AA functionality in ArcMap.

https://community.esri.com/ideas/8531

Towards the bottom of this thread Joe Borgione mentions major deficiencies with AR compared to AA.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

JoeBorgione — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:01:49 GMT

Michael Volz- since that post I've re-considered the 'why' AR is designed as it is: while I've been a fan of geodatabase replication since it's inception, feature data services are a more modern approach to data management. The workflow of the particular project I alluded to is more than likely going to get a complete re-alignment, or should I say adaptation...

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

MaribethPrice — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:41:57 GMT

I felt the same way for a while. Once I got used to it, though, it is now ArcMap that seems clunky. I'm not saying it isn't frustrating at first, but it gets better.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

KelseyKatro — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:22:58 GMT

Yes I am using AA and I love it!!!!

I run ArcMap and Pro on a machine with Server specs and Pro is still slow compared to ArcMap. I just don't think people are going to like it. I am not trying to be stubborn, I love new things, I use Linux OS's at home, so I am up for a challenge, but if I have to learn how to use ArcGIS all over again I may just switch to QGIS, free and has come a long way since it's inception. I do like the apps which come with Esri now though, but if ArcMap goes away, I may also.....

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

KelseyKatro — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:28:02 GMT

I understand as I have used ArcMap since it's inception and it crashed a lot. If you use Attribute Assitant (AA) you would beg to differ. AA saves me tons of time, I lose time using Pro. I will wait to see what happens with it and only test with it, but I can see any benefits other dual maps, projects, and profiles for my utilities, but I really don't need these things now.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

LR — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:16:02 GMT

You just have to learn

to appreciate

Pro's meditative approach

to getting things

done

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

ThomasColson — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:23:34 GMT

That....is hilarious!

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

KelseyKatro — Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:29:14 GMT

LOL

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

AndrewQuee — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 01:36:22 GMT

We're evaluating Pro as a possible future case as we begin plans to migrate our MOTS platform from 10.3.1 to 10.6.

What I've found it that it's very much the same as going from say, Office 97 to the more modern ribbon system, or from Windows 7 to Windows 10. They do do pretty the exact same thing, but in their own way. "Same, same, but different."

I will admit that some colourful language has eventuated (it seems Pro wants you to track a process path, not give you the whole shebang in litter of toolbars and buttons, and who thought it would be a good idea to bury the explore tool so you can't navigate once a tool is active?) but as with the new Office and Windows once you get used to how it works, it actually makes more sense and is more intuitive and easy to learn.

We're recommending to clients thinking about taking up GIS that unless they need functionality in Desktop right now, they should consider starting with Pro so they're only learning one system, not two.

The one lining here is that Esri is taking on board comments and suggestions for improvements as Pro evolve. Good luck getting anything major changed in Desktop, it's pretty much set in stone now. Some ArcGIS Ideas have been kicking around for 10+ years in one form or another.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

VladimirStojanovic — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 05:51:10 GMT

Absolutely the thing you get to look at the most if you are using ArcPro to do anything in GIS. Well done L R, right to the point!

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

Knut_SindreVale — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 07:19:39 GMT

I think ArcGIS pro has become easier to use for the light GIS users, and it will develop over time to become the next generation of GIS programs. I think the traditional use of GIS will change and we have to think new ways to get things done. Lets say you have never used Arcmap or ArcGIS pro before, which program would you use? Data Storage and management will be cloud based and online programs such as arcgis online will make ArcGIS desktop and server redundant. I also think this will lead to a lot more competition for ESRI. New generations of GIS users will look at Arcmap and see an old rusty car. Over time

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

Anonymous User — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 07:27:40 GMT

I had some serious problems with ArcGIS Pro performance when I first started using it.

After quite some time with the support end we found the causes.

ArcGIS Pro needs to be run from new GDB's, and GDB's only.

It is extremely troublesome to implement ArcGIS Pro if that software alone will force us into changing workflows far outside GIS-related projects. Therefore I have paused our companys implementation of ArcGIS Pro, which is a shame since:

Run from the correct environment ArcGIS Pro has outstanding performance. It's fast in order of execution, its fast to work with. Tools and processes are coupled really logical, and feature editing is a breeze.

But, only if you obey the environment setup strictly, even minor faults will kill performance entirely.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

MalcolmMeyer2 — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:42:15 GMT

I have had my issues with ArcGIS Pro as well, but say what you will about performance issues, crashes, environment setups, the ribbon...the ONE thing that keeps me coming back is multiple maps and layouts. This feature is the number one reason that keeps me coming back. However, if I have to do anything other than create a print layout my heart starts racing and I have to keep my mouse from instinctively clicking on that familiar little globe.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

MichaelVolz — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:36:11 GMT

Mathias:

I am interested in why you say Pro needs to be run from new GDBs. Can you cite some specific examples of why you think this is a requirement, as that would create an enormous amount of work for enterprise organizations?

Do these gdbs need to be full-blown ESRI gdbs such as SDE gdbs and file gdbs or can they be relational dbs that are just spatially enabled with ST_Geometry (Oracle) libraries and make use of query layers when using the data in Pro?

I edited my post to say "new" GDBs and not just GDBs. My hope was that the import map tool would do the bulk of the work of creating aprxs from existing mxds. Have you had performance problems with this workflow where you had to resource the data to new gdbs after the import process?

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

Anonymous User — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:55:26 GMT

I don't know the specific reasons, but guess that non-database data needs to be added entirely to the ram and looked up anytime you perform changes such as symbology.

In a database, and I suppose relational databases will do, quite a few lookups can be spared since there will be a single file handling content.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

AlexanderEricsson1 — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 16:08:57 GMT

I just started experimenting around in Pro in the last few days and it seems that everything is there....it runs much faster that 10.6 on my machine. I do wish instead of the tabs at the top, that we could still have our toolbars placed wherever on the screen like in ArcMap but other than that, I don't mind it at all. The 64 bit works better for me with Windows 10. If you are familiar with ArcMap I think you should be able to look around in Pro and find the tools that you are used to using in ArcMap. Just my way of learning software though-just open it up and start looking around to see what's what.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: Most Cumbersome

SteveCole — Tue, 17 Jul 2018 17:37:09 GMT

SHOWING VERTICES WHILE EDITING:

64-bit ArcGIS Pro:

Layer Symbol -> Add Effect -> Add Symbol Layer -> Add Marker Symbol

(Repeat for all applicable layers)

32-bit Arcmap:

Control-V

At last- my pleas for a too efficient Arcmap have been answered!