topic Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement? in ArcGIS Pro Questions

ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

JoeBorgione — Wed, 27 Jun 2018 18:53:45 GMT

With the recent update of ArcGIS Pro to v 2.2, (see : What's new in ArcGIS Pro 2.2—ArcGIS Pro | ArcGIS Desktop ) there are two new tools for the 'Attribute Rules' tool set. Truth be told, if I hadn't seen this I still wouldn't have known about them at all.

Two questions:

Are the Attribute Rule tools designed to replace the Attribute Assistant?

If that is the case, are there plans to incorporate their application to a fgdb? ( I know: the ink isn't dry on 2.2 and I'm asking for improvements...)

Michael Miller‌

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

KoryKramer — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 20:39:36 GMT

Hi Joe,

That is my understanding, that attribute rules is the "new generation" of Attribute Assistant. They allow the rules to work across the ArcGIS platform, meaning that data integrity can be maintained when editing services on a mobile device, or while sitting at your desk. This was a big request to improve for Attribute Assistant as it could only be used with ArcMap.

The question about having attribute rules work with file gdb would (in my opinion) be a great idea to post to ArcGIS Ideas‌. I've heard this request, but I don't think it is persisted anywhere, so submitting the idea would be a great way for us to hold onto it, gauge need and get input from the community as we're looking at continuing to improve attribute rules capabilities.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

JoeBorgione — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 20:57:29 GMT

Seems like having attribute rules work with a FGDB is a no-brainer, but I'll submit an idea none the less. Thanks!

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

KoryKramer — Thu, 05 Jul 2018 21:00:03 GMT

Thanks, Joe.

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

JoeBorgione — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 08:21:10 GMT

Vote early and vote often... https://community.esri.com/ideas/15235

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

JoshWhite — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:10:59 GMT

Why are these rules so hidden? I couldn't even get it to come up in the Help. I typed it in the tool search. Trouble is that this appears way more limited than the attribute assistant. It only lets me do field calculations. I had it doing a location search before. For example, report a field from a feature class that this new feature (or modified feature) is within. Its also very unfortunate that this eliminates backward compatibility and renders the dataset uneditable in ArcMap. Come on Esri, stop making this stuff so difficult.

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

MichaelVolz — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:18:59 GMT

I don't believe ESRI will ever provide backward compatibility on this issue, but the "report a field from a feature class that this new feature (or modified feature) is within" should be added in future releases.

Have you setup Attribute Assistant (AA) in your ArcMap environment and found that the AA is a boat anchor to adopting Pro since Attribute Rules do not have functional equivalency and Attribute Rules renders the layer useless in ArcMap once an Attribute Rule is applied to the same data source in Pro?

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

JoshWhite — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:37:24 GMT

I do agree that this a "boat anchor" as you put it. Not having backward compatibility on something as simple as this is just nonsense. Why the sudden switch to Arcade after having used Python for years?

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

KoryKramer — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:01:13 GMT

Hi Josh,

Not sure where you were searching...

Yes, there are some current limitations with Attribute Rules, like currently there are only calculation rules and constraint rules. This is explained here Attribute rules—Geodatabases | ArcGIS Desktop

That help also explains that

There is currently no cross-layer or cursor support for attribute rules. Attribute rules are only supported on the row (feature) being evaluated. Attribute rules are currently only supported on enterprise geodatabase datasets.

which is what you're looking for with the intersection type method from Attribute Assistant.

In the ArcGIS Pro Roadmap - September 2018 you can see that Attribute Rule enhancements are top of the list with this explanation,

Attribute Rule Enhancements – Additional user experience for creating and modifying rules, existing rule validation, and support for querying additional layers as part of calculation or constraint-based rules.

As for why Arcade? Using Arcade expressions allow them to be understand (and thus executed) across the platform meaning that instead of having Attribute Assistant methods locked to your desktop, Attribute Rules maintain data integrity and speed up editing no matter where you're working with the data.

ArcGIS Arcade | ArcGIS for Developers

I hope this is helpful.

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

JoshWhite — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:26:14 GMT

I think the website had a temporary problem as I was able to eventually find the right help page. Thanks for the response Kory. This is exactly the information I was looking for. We may not always see eye to eye but I do appreciate your willingness to participate in these forums and help answer questions of occasionally obnoxious end users.

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

KoryKramer — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:29:48 GMT

No worries, Josh. I can't always help, but very happy to when I can.

Cheers

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

JoeBorgione — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:34:41 GMT

..occasionally obnoxious end users...

Wait... Here on Geonet? No way....

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

Anonymous User — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 21:21:09 GMT

I was excited about Attribute Rules until I read this:

"Attribute rules are currently only supported on enterprise geodatabase datasets."

Every time I think about changing to Pro full time, something like this happens.

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

JoeBorgione — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 08:21:13 GMT

Yep... Well....

Hopefully there is strength in numbers; be sure to vote https://community.esri.com/ideas/15235

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

KoryKramer — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:40:42 GMT

Attribute Rules: What’s new in ArcGIS Pro 2.3 and ArcGIS Enterprise 10.7

Re: ArcGIS Pro Attribute Rules as Attribute Assistant Replacement?

JoeBorgione — Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:55:02 GMT

Cool... Still looking forward to:

Support attribute rules on file geodatabases – We will provide support for adding and executing immediate attribute rules (calculation and constraint) on file geodatabases.