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    <title>topic ArcGIS Pro now has default transformations which seem off between HARN and NAD83 and/or should I even transform data between HARN and NAD 83 2011? in ArcGIS Pro Questions</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Out statewide imagery is projected into NAD 1983 HARN (3753 and 54).&amp;nbsp;When this imagery is brought into a new map in ArcGIS Pro for the corresponding state plane projection, for example NAD83 South (3735), ArcGIS Pro &lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;EM&gt;automatically&lt;/EM&gt; &lt;/STRONG&gt;applies the “NAD 1983 to HARN Ohio” transformation, however from everything I can find this transformation is mean to convert to the original NAD83, not NAD83 (2011) – see references below. Also, when I bring in GPS points (4 in accuracy - Trimble R2) collected using our DOT's RTK VRS network which uses the &lt;A href="https://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Engineering/CaddMapping/Survey/VRS/Pages/default.aspx" target="_blank"&gt;latest NAD revision&lt;/A&gt;, the do not align with the imagery when this transformation is being used.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In ArcMap the user had to manually apply a transformation when bringing in data in projection different from the map projection. I am guessing that traditionally many people have just clicked yes in ArcMap to continue without applying a transformation when adding our state imagery, so this may not have been an issue in the past as few people noticed.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So a couple things could be happening -&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;OL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;The imagery is not in the correct projection and/or has been incorrectly transformed into HARN.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;The default ArcGIS Pro transformation should not be used or is not appropriate.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Something else...&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/OL&gt;&lt;P&gt;Further, from the links below it would seem there is no highly accurate transformation available from EPSG:3754 to EPSG:3735, since this shift would only be a few centimeters.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;So the question is should data in NAD83 HARN be transformed when projected to NAD83 2011?&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Possibly related to this topic -&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://community.esri.com/t5/map-projections-questions/nad83-to-nad83-harn-florida-transformation-seems/m-p/782627" target="_blank"&gt;https://community.esri.com/t5/map-projections-questions/nad83-to-nad83-harn-florida-transformation-seems/m-p/782627&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;References&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/324377/why-are-there-differences-in-output-position-between-the-arcgis-versus-ncat-tran" target="_blank"&gt;https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/324377/why-are-there-differences-in-output-position-between-the-arcgis-versus-ncat-tran&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/1115/cors-harn-transformations-what-is-the-most-accurate-method" target="_blank"&gt;https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/1115/cors-harn-transformations-what-is-the-most-accurate-method&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2021 14:45:27 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>LancasterGIS</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2021-08-24T14:45:27Z</dc:date>
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      <title>ArcGIS Pro now has default transformations which seem off between HARN and NAD83 and/or should I even transform data between HARN and NAD 83 2011?</title>
      <link>https://community.esri.com/t5/arcgis-pro-questions/arcgis-pro-now-has-default-transformations-which/m-p/1091716#M44766</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Out statewide imagery is projected into NAD 1983 HARN (3753 and 54).&amp;nbsp;When this imagery is brought into a new map in ArcGIS Pro for the corresponding state plane projection, for example NAD83 South (3735), ArcGIS Pro &lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;EM&gt;automatically&lt;/EM&gt; &lt;/STRONG&gt;applies the “NAD 1983 to HARN Ohio” transformation, however from everything I can find this transformation is mean to convert to the original NAD83, not NAD83 (2011) – see references below. Also, when I bring in GPS points (4 in accuracy - Trimble R2) collected using our DOT's RTK VRS network which uses the &lt;A href="https://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Engineering/CaddMapping/Survey/VRS/Pages/default.aspx" target="_blank"&gt;latest NAD revision&lt;/A&gt;, the do not align with the imagery when this transformation is being used.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In ArcMap the user had to manually apply a transformation when bringing in data in projection different from the map projection. I am guessing that traditionally many people have just clicked yes in ArcMap to continue without applying a transformation when adding our state imagery, so this may not have been an issue in the past as few people noticed.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So a couple things could be happening -&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;OL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;The imagery is not in the correct projection and/or has been incorrectly transformed into HARN.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;The default ArcGIS Pro transformation should not be used or is not appropriate.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Something else...&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/OL&gt;&lt;P&gt;Further, from the links below it would seem there is no highly accurate transformation available from EPSG:3754 to EPSG:3735, since this shift would only be a few centimeters.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;So the question is should data in NAD83 HARN be transformed when projected to NAD83 2011?&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Possibly related to this topic -&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://community.esri.com/t5/map-projections-questions/nad83-to-nad83-harn-florida-transformation-seems/m-p/782627" target="_blank"&gt;https://community.esri.com/t5/map-projections-questions/nad83-to-nad83-harn-florida-transformation-seems/m-p/782627&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;References&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/324377/why-are-there-differences-in-output-position-between-the-arcgis-versus-ncat-tran" target="_blank"&gt;https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/324377/why-are-there-differences-in-output-position-between-the-arcgis-versus-ncat-tran&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/1115/cors-harn-transformations-what-is-the-most-accurate-method" target="_blank"&gt;https://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/1115/cors-harn-transformations-what-is-the-most-accurate-method&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2021 14:45:27 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>LancasterGIS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-08-24T14:45:27Z</dc:date>
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