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Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

RobWard1 — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:25:37 GMT

I have added a Map Grid to my Map Frame in ArcGIS Pro and would like the grid labels to be on the inside of the frame. I have managed to offset the position of the ticks to the inside; however, any attempt to offset the coordinate labels does nothing. I've been trying to do it with the following steps:

Format Map Grid > Select 'Labels' from dropdown > Properties > Position > then changing the values of Offset X / Offset Y. Whatever I do, the labels stay in the same position.

Any suggestions welcome!
Many thanks,
Rob

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

XanderBakker — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:19:40 GMT

First select the Graticule:

In the properties, you can edit the value for the Offset in Appearance:

And when I change that value:

... the labels will move.

I did notice some strange behavior of the value when I use the up and down buttons of the control, it will take huge leaps in the value and when I specify a small value like 6, it changed to 152,4 and with 12 it changed to 304,8. Weird...

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

RobWard1 — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:27:13 GMT

Fantastic thank you! I had tried using that 'Offset in Appearance' option but as you say, the numbers were jumping wildly making the labels disappear altogether. It seems for some reason you have to give the number you want it to change by which does seem a very strange (and non-intuitive) way of doing it. Thanks for solving it

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

XanderBakker — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:59:24 GMT

Hi Rob Ward great it solved your problem. Could you mark the post that answered your question as the correct answer?

I will tag Kory Kramer who might know more on why the numbers are jumping so strangely.

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

KoryKramer — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:52:50 GMT

I've toyed with it some and don't see the "jumping" behavior described. I'm able to use the arrows to adjust the offset, and they stick. I can also type numbers directly and things are working fine.

If you can provide explicit step-by-step instructions that will reproduce this behavior, we take a look, but at this point I can't make it work how you're describing.

Cheers

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

XanderBakker — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:20:03 GMT

Hi Kory Kramer ,

Let's say that the image below is where I left yesterday. The labels are a the enlarged distance of the graticule and everything looks OK, although the Offset show a high value 304,8pt.:

When I specify a value of 6 in the Offset box:

and I press Enter, this happens:

The value changes to 152,4pt. Which leads me to believe it applies a value of 25,4 (0,1") to the value entered in the box. OK, not very nice, but it is something that can be handled if you know that this happens, but what is not very nice is when I use the up and down buttons. First the up button:

You can see that labels move away with a great leap and the value changes to 3896,36 pt, which is when we divide it by the magic value 25,4 -> 153,4 which is the value I would have expected to be entered when pressing up with a value of 152,4pt.

You can imagine what happens when the down button is pressed with a value of 3896,36 pt (it will change to 3895,36 as a value entered in the box and multiply by 25,4 and I end up with a value of 98942,144 pt and labels that will have disappeared from the surface of the earth.

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

KoryKramer — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:28:36 GMT

What size is your page?

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

XanderBakker — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:33:17 GMT

It A4 Landscape and use millimeters as unit

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

XanderBakker — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:36:55 GMT

If I change my units to inches it works without problems, although I need to change the sizes back to small values since when I change to inches the ticks become very huge...

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

KoryKramer — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:51:40 GMT

There we go - I can repro the issue now! With this new info I'll search our internal resources to see if this is already logged and if not we'll get it logged. Thank you for the follow up, Xander!

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

RobWard1 — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:57:28 GMT

Thanks both KKramer-esristaff and xander_bakker for discussing and looking in to the issue. Rob

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

AdrianWelsh — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 15:58:34 GMT

It seems to me that Esri could almost have an entire webinar series of showing how to best manage and handle labeling in ArcGIS Pro! Or maybe a full blown MOOC for it as well!

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

KoryKramer — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:03:26 GMT

Hey Adrian,

Labeling, or working in a layout? Or both?

Here is a good start to get familiar with layouts in Pro: Make a layout—ArcGIS Pro | ArcGIS Desktop

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

KoryKramer — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:24:36 GMT

Xander and rob.wardARC, I just tested in the daily build of Pro 2.1 and this issue has been resolved. 2.1 should be out in January so upgrade when that is available and things should work well.

Cheers

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

XanderBakker — Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:33:31 GMT

Thanks KKramer-esristaff for getting back on this and everything you have done!

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

AdrianWelsh — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:11:48 GMT

Kory,

Thanks for the resource. I just mean labeling in general (which is best handled in layout view since that's how we will see 'static' labels when printed, etc.). Basically an exploration on how to go above and beyond when needing to have a little complexity to labels; things like that.

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

KoryKramer — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:35:20 GMT

Have you looked at https://www.esri.com/training/catalog/57630437851d31e02a43f232/labeling-features-using-arcgis-pro/ ?

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

AdrianWelsh — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:18:39 GMT

Kory,

Thanks for sharing that. I'll have to check it out! (of course, I need to find a free 30 minutes somewhere!)

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

JakubSisak — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:38:36 GMT

OMG, This is soooo messed up... I did not see this problem when working with small layout sizes such as letter or tabloid. As soon as I put a grid on an Arch D size, I was having very very difficult time adjusting offsets and the length of tics. This is a bug for sure. If ESR had a better way of reporting bugs (Click on a report a bug link, describe the problem, submit) i would have reported it but I could not bother going through the insane process.... This thread confirmed that I was not loosing my mind and that Pro is still very much an Alfa release but also pointed me to a kind of a workaround:

In my case - click on the Grid in the TOC and adjust offset - only once and tab away. Then click on the map frame to deselect the grid on the TOC then come back in and adjust another value - either change the offset again or change the length of the tics. You can only change 1 single value at a time otherwise the grid items will go all crazy or become non-responsive. adjusting 1 property then getting out of the grid properties and clicking on another TOC item then getting back into the grid proerties and repeating this one value at a time is highly annoying but worked for me.

Re: Cannot offset position of labels on map grid in Layout in ArcGIS Pro 2.0.1

KoryKramer — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:45:28 GMT

Jakub. The behavior in this thread was referring to ArcGIS Pro 2.0 and from looking through the comments, seems like it was resolved in 2.1. What version of Pro are you running now?