topic Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap, in ArcGIS Pro Questions

ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

JamalNUMAN — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 06:42:26 GMT

ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

I observed that the ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap. This observation is related to all tools and behaviors

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

DanPatterson_Retired — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 07:38:54 GMT

Converted to a discussion since it is not a question and other people would have differing opinions.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

GarrettSeay1 — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 20:35:48 GMT

I can agree with you on this. I also find that some tools just never work well. I’ve left a tool spinning over night before and came back with it not completed. Of course, I can’t think of the tool that did or right now, but I can remember it happening for what could have been considered a simple tool.

This may help you though: How caching works—ArcGIS Pro | Documentation

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

ThomasColson — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 12:26:09 GMT

Yes, what is the deal with opening a GP tool (any one) and it taking 5 minutes to open, regardless of computer hardware.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

MichaelVolz — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:57:36 GMT

Thomas:

Just wondering if you are part of the Pro 2.5 beta program that is now running? If so, has the opening of GP tools gotten any better? This seems like an important area that ESRI developers should be working on.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

DanPatterson_Retired — Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:15:23 GMT

I haven't had any problems with lengthy delays opening GP tools, especially 5 minutes.

Local install as administrator, locally stored data, no clone (but with many package installs and upgrades to base install.

Same in 2.4 and beta 2.5.

It may not be the 'standard' situation, but one to compare to in order to rule out culprits (ie basemaps, SDE, non-admin users etc etc)

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

MarkBockenhauer — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:13:28 GMT

The first time any GP tool is accessed there is a geoprocessing tools initialization that takes a few seconds (should only be a few seconds). Each tool also may have an initialization time, depending on what the tool does. Specific to Create Utility Network it reads in layers from the active map.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

ThomasColson — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 18:24:14 GMT

This is before we're adding data to the GP Tool UI, so that's not the issue. The issue is getting the UI to even open, it just sits there blue dots scrolling from left to right, regardless of the permission level the user has to the OS. Comparing to ArcMap, we don't see this behavior when opening a GP tool every time we open one.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

DanPatterson_Retired — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:18:26 GMT

As in the example by Mark... the GUI is sniffing out the map.

See if it takes the same amount of time the second time it is called?

Copy all the data to a new map and rerun the tool twice. How do the times compare?

A workflow I commonly use is to have one map dedicated to geoprocessing. I copy only what I need there, do the work, delete the layers and return to the map that I use for display.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

JamalNUMAN — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:30:40 GMT

The slowness is not limited to working with Geoprocessing tools. It applies to almost all other functions on the software such as the ones I’m shown in the screenshots below.

I can give a concrete example that the Pro has less performance than ArcMap. Try to publish a map of one layer on both Pro and ArcMap. You will be finding out that the process is accomplished with ArcMap much faster than Pro

Sometimes I feel as if I’m working with web App but not desktop!

What do you think guys?

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

DanPatterson_Retired — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:28:53 GMT

seems reasonable...

create new project... has to set it up,

read a folder... ditto...

buffer with no data in the map... probably it is confused...

publishing... I don't do that so who knows

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

BrianWade — Fri, 01 Nov 2019 21:14:34 GMT

I would agree generally with what Jamal means.

If you create an Arc10 mxd file with all the network connections, layers, layouts, settings etc. and then import the map file into Pro and save out, then reopen both software’s concurrently and try to do the basic same things, most clickable tasks take longer to activate in Pro. The Catalog pane in Arc10 is lightyears quicker to use. I’ve become used to the delay as a fact of life and now use Pro for most of the processing (it is faster) that I do, but IMO the lag time waiting for tools to load, menus to refresh, options to become clickable are a drag on productivity. However apparently, it’s the future we're living with for now.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

JimmyKroon — Mon, 04 Nov 2019 16:45:34 GMT

I have the opposite experience and think this might be due to hardware. I believe a high-performance configuration for ArcMap would be different than for Pro, due to multi-processor support, GPU's etc. On my pc, Pro opens in seconds and is very fast. ArcMap feels like a bag of bricks in comparison, to the point that a rarely open it.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

MichaelVolz — Mon, 04 Nov 2019 16:54:07 GMT

Jimmy:

Do any of your workflows involve editing SDE data? I ask because this is a very important area where my org has found Pro to be much slower than ArcMap.

Can you provide the specs for your machine running Pro as I would like to compare that to the machines that my org currently uses for running Pro? My concern is that getting my org's machines up to your standards would be very expensive and might not be able to be justified.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

JimmyKroon — Mon, 04 Nov 2019 17:20:39 GMT

I'm not editing SDE databases directly, but many of our workflows edit feature services hosted in AGOL or Portal or connections to remote ArcGIS Server. It could be that the network connection is more of a bottleneck for us than other factors. That might be different if you have on-site SDE servers.

Here's the basics

Dell Precision 3630 - Dell's retail price for this is about $1600

Intel Xeon E-2224, 4 Core, 8MB Cache, 3.4Ghz, 4.6Ghz Turbo
NVIDIA Quadro P620, 2GB, 4 mDP to DP adapter
32GB 4x8GB DDR4 2666MHz UDIMM Non-ECC Memory
M.2 512GB PCIe NVMe Class 40 Solid State Drive
1TB SATA Hard Drive

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

LaurenceLanglois1 — Mon, 04 Nov 2019 20:11:19 GMT

ArcGis Pro Map redraw is extremely slow.

I find when working with building addresses on a map: If the labels have a halo (because over an aerial), the performance is unbearable. It is awful. I have to pause the map and export it.

I wish you could learn from the Video Game industry. They are getting 120fps with Ray tracing. I would be happy with 1 fps second, with basic rendering...

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

JamalNUMAN — Mon, 04 Nov 2019 20:34:57 GMT

I hav

Workstation Laptop HP Zbook 17 G3E3-1575M:

4 Cores X 64 GB RAM (2133) X 1 TB SSD X 32 GB GPU

Nevertheless, the Pro is slow

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

KevinN_CSJ — Mon, 04 Nov 2019 20:52:36 GMT

I have exactly the opposite opinion: Arc Desktop (10.x) is painfully slow to use compared to Pro to the point I hate opening it. I occasionally do if I have to edit someone else's mxd (since Pro cannot save to that format), but I dread it. My workstation is not very new or high end either:

HP Z240

i7 - 6700 quad core with hyperthreading @ 3.4GHz

16gb DDR4

Micron MX300 512Gb SSD

Quadro K600 1Gb (largest bottleneck in my system for Pro, it's often maxed on both processing and memory usage).

I do versioned edits to an sde environment, AGOL service publishing, as well as a lot of local geoprocessing. The only issues I ever have with speed are when I'm working on a project stored on one of our shared drives which is not on a fast server.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

RickGonzalez — Mon, 04 Nov 2019 21:07:22 GMT

Simply put, ArcGIS Pro is frustrating. I can accomplish tasks faster with ArcMap.

Re: ArcGIS Pro: 2.4.2: In general, ArcPro has less performance than ArcMap,

KevinN_CSJ — Mon, 04 Nov 2019 21:45:21 GMT

What are your system specs and operating environment? What version are you on?

Also how many updates has it been since you installed Pro? I haven't experienced it with Arc yet, but with some software I've used in the past after a few in-place updates I've needed to fully uninstall the software and install clean.

Or is your frustration because of the design of the new software? If that's the case just spend time with it. Once you get used to the design of the ribbons and set up your UI to your liking, I find Pro to be much much easier to navigate than the antiquated look and feel of ArcMap.