topic Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols? in ArcGIS Pro Questions

ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

VincentLaunstorfer — Wed, 18 Oct 2017 16:11:59 GMT

In ArcGIS 10.5.1, for producing printed maps, I usually right-click layers and "convert features to graphics" in order to edit symbols in cluttered area. In addition, instead of converting into Annotation Groups in which there is no control on ordering, I "convert features to graphics" into empty Annotation Feature Class, stored in my project File GDB. It works well.

In ArcGIS Pro .aprx projects, unfortunately, Annotation Groups (formely stored in .mxd with ArcMap) do not exist. I thought I could still convert features to graphics in Annotation Feature Class with ArcGIS Pro but I cannot find any function to do that. I am stuck!

In ArcGIS Pro, there must be a way to "convert" symbol to graphics for editing? At least I would expect the equivalent of Cartographic representation but I cannot find it either. And Cartographic representation usually needs a Standard or Advanced license.

Any help is very welcome

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

VincentLaunstorfer — Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:10:07 GMT

In addition to my post and after some investigation, opening Annotation Feature Class containing symbols in ArcGIS Pro is not possible to edit (in the Edit mode under the Contents pane, there is an exclamation mark saying "Annotation is not editable". Also, upgrading the Annotation Feature Class containing symbols fails.

As for the Cartography Toolbox, in particular the Add Representations, is not yet implemented in ArcGIS Pro:

Tools that are not available in ArcGIS Pro—Appendices | ArcGIS Desktop

This clearly leaves no option to edit (move) manually symbols in the map to produce and end product! To me, it makes ArcGIS Pro unusable...

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

CraigWilliams — Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:43:13 GMT

The annotation model in ArcGIS Pro is focused on providing an experience for text based annotation and does not support graphics at this time. Graphic support is something we will continue to evaluation.

The representations experience in ArcGIS Pro has also evolved into an experience working with symbol overrides on any symbology type in ArcGIS Pro. More options for this will be available in the next release, ArcGIS Pro 2.1.

For you particular case, we've found that a large number of organizations use derived data and edit the data to provide custom placement of symbols. From a workflow standpoint, this only differs from editing graphics in that you're editing features now instead. When combined with symbol override capabilities, this can be quite powerful.

See this topic for more information on attribute driven symbology: Attribute-driven symbology—ArcGIS Pro | ArcGIS Desktop

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

VincentLaunstorfer — Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:24:35 GMT

Thanks for these explanation. However, to me editing derived data is not desirable, neither good practice. This process is for the time being far too slow for editing and symbol alignments are not possible. Perhaps symbols overrides will solve the problem with future ArcGIS Pro releases and hopefully with good performance.

It looks like ArcGIS Pro has not (yet) been designed for users with traditional mapping workflows, focusing on ArcGIS Online instead. In addition to editing symbols, editing annotation lacks lots of basics control, such as leader lines ending, accent bars not available, graticule, extent indicators for insets...

https://community.esri.com/thread/203823-arcgis-pro-20-how-to-move-end-of-leader-line

In order to take advantage of the improved graphic engines of ArcGIS Pro and better PDF exports, I prepare all my layers in Pro for symbolizaztion and I continue all my symbols and annotations editing, as well as graticule, in ArcMap 10.5.1. After, I compile all my layers in Adobe Illustrator. Not ideal but it works!

ArcGIS Pro - Export to Illustrator

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

ThomasColson — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 19:07:35 GMT

From a workflow standpoint, this only differs from editing graphics in that you're editing features now instead.

I disagree. Here's a good example why "Attribute Driven Symbology" is preventing my migration to Pro. I have hundreds of road gates to map. On our current cartographic product, we always show the gate as closed using representation, to indicate that a) there's a gate you CAN close; b)you might need a key; or c) drive a big enough fire truck to plow through a gate, should one be found locked before you. In other words, depicting gates in a common and easy to see cartographic style has a public safety need.

In ArcMap, this is easy. All my gates are points, they intersect the road, I use the representation rotate tool to rotate the gate perpendicular to the road.

According to this, the only way I can do that in Pro is by picking a value or direction ...which I'd have to assign to each point, after measuring the angle of the intersection of the road and the point (for some 450 gates). And yes, gates come, go, and move so I need to update this infrequently.

Here's a more complex example, which, unless I'm missing a really obvious "button" or "menu", is not reproducible in Pro. Here I can move all my representation symbols away from the feature(s) being represented, align them, make them the same size, rotate them (all at once), and place them where they exhibit the least distortion from what the viewer needs to see in terms of geography. If I don't like where all 8 "symbols" are, I can select all 8 of them, once I've spent 15 minutes aligning, rotating, and scaling, I can drag all 8 around to the point where they convey that you will find these 8 services, and not cover up other geographic features.

I do agree with

It looks like ArcGIS Pro has not (yet) been designed for users with traditional mapping workflows

It would he helpful, if Pro 2.3 or 2.whatever was the "We're focusing on cartography release" version.

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

CraigWilliams — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:14:01 GMT

Did you leverage shape overrides for your move operations?

As for annotation editing tools, more capabilities are coming in the 2.1 release. We have additional tools that will be coming in later releases as well.

What graticule functionality is missing for you?

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

CraigWilliams — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:26:08 GMT

In the future, rotation of a point should update the rotation of rotated 2D symbols. This will make your workflow equivalent with representations. That said, your workflow could be automated with the Align Marker to Stroke Or Fill tool which can automate the rotation of Point symbols to be perpendicular to the line.

The graphic style alignment tools are not implemented yet, but Representations are not specifically needed to achieve this.

We've been working on cartographic functionality in every release of ArcGIS Pro. Every release has been a "focusing on cartography" release, but we have more to add.

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

VincentLaunstorfer — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 17:29:04 GMT

Hi Craig,

I recently discovered the graticule (screenshot below) in the Insert tab of the layout in ArcGIS Pro. It looks good and I liked the dynamic formatting of labels.

I just cannot replicate the grid of ticks from ArcMap, as explained in this discussion:

https://community.esri.com/thread/206037-arcgis-pro-20-how-to-display-a-graticule-as-a-grid-of-ticks

If you have any advice on this, it would be really appreciated.

Regards

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

ThomasColson — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 17:36:46 GMT

Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not seeing where it's possible to replicated the dual-UTM-ZONE grid collar as described http://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=e0b0c2f2160c4812b4c11bc599e629f1.

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

VincentLaunstorfer — Fri, 22 Dec 2017 17:39:13 GMT

Hi Thomas,

In ArcGIS Pro 2.0, I managed to recreate several dynamic grids/graticule as shown below, for info. However, I have to admit that ArcGIS Pro became instable and crashed several times...

I cannot figure out what was special in the script you mentioned. Although, I would be interested to know how to display extra labels within the map on the gridlines, as shown here:

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

ThomasColson — Tue, 02 Jan 2018 17:53:31 GMT

Craig Williams‌ the Align Marker to Stroke Or Fill does not replicate the behavior of representation symbology. The tool gets applied to the entire dataset in a one-size-fit-all approach, and only allows one line feature as input, whereas I'm using as many as 4 different road line representations (public road, private road, trail, road we can't acknowledge exists....) cartographically....representation symbology allows a cartographer precise refinement of each individual symbol. Additionally, I may need to move a symbol placement up to several map units away from its true location, as I exemplified with the second part of my previous example. I'm not able to find the Pro symbology property or GP tool that allows this degree of cartographic control. I would love to see a demonstration how the ArcMap representation functionality is accomplished in Pro, are you able to post a screen recording showing this? I also disagree with this "...we've found that a large number of organizations use derived data and edit the data to provide custom placement of symbols. From a workflow standpoint, this only differs from editing graphics in that you're editing features now instead." Who willingly maintains two divergent copies of the same data? What? That's why representation was added to ArcMap in the first place, so one could symbolize one dataset many different ways.

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

ThomasColson — Tue, 02 Jan 2018 17:56:37 GMT

Vincent Launstorfer‌ this may be closed to the map collars I describe. https://www.usgs.gov/news/new-gis-ready-topographic-map-style-template-released However, you'd have to do it in Arc and import the map to Pro, as the USGS is not planning on updating the tool(s) to work in Pro.

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

MarcelSt-Germain — Thu, 04 Jan 2018 14:02:12 GMT

Totally agree.

Pro, for now, focused on 3D and web but totally forget us the traditional mapping cartographer.

Cartography still important for many Esri users like us.

At first I was thinking that it was me who lack knowledge of features and miss something. After the arcmap to arcgis pro transition course, I saw that it’s Esri who leave us behind.

For us, anyway, we have no use for the web or 3D so, Pro have no use.

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

CraigWilliams — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:46:55 GMT

Align Marker to Stroke Or Fill automated the setting of the rotation value. That is what I was stating. If you've split your road classes into separate layers, you may need to run it more than once. It's still faster than an initial hand edit. Additional hand edits could be made afterward.

As stated above, symbol rotation is not set when rotating a point as with representations, this is something we'll look at for a future release.

If you're a heavy user of shape overrides, this functionality is not present in ArcGIS Pro symbology.

As for those who make copies of geometry, it's very common in multi-scale map production across a variety of organizations.

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

CraigWilliams — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 00:47:22 GMT

What functionality is missing for your needs?

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

MichaelBrennan — Tue, 24 Apr 2018 16:27:07 GMT

I spent some time trying to figure out where the "convert features to graphics" tool was at as well, to no avail. The basic functionality that I need, and I believe the others are referring to, is the simple ability to convert symbols to graphics and move them around. For example, when I am identifying multiple locations, and two of the locations are right on top of each other, the symbols cover each other up. When I was using ArcMap, I would simply convert them to graphics, put a tail on them, and spread them apart. It does not seem like I can do this in ArcGis Pro. Please prove me wrong on this.

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

VincentLaunstorfer — Tue, 22 May 2018 14:51:58 GMT

Hi,

Now with ArcGIS Pro 2.1, I am back this graphics editing issue. As you confirmed, in Pro it is not possible to convert to graphics. You mentioned a workflow in which to edit derived dataset (I am not keen on this method) in order to move symbols around to produce the final map.

Unfortunately, performance in Pro is very poor and my machine should handle ArcGIS Pro 2.1 (see below). In the Edit tab, clicking any point symbol to Move, it takes 25s to select! It is terrible. You also mentioned shape overrides for Move operation. How does this work?

I really need some help to solve this problem as I just cannot edit maps in ArcGIS Pro! For the time being, I made my maps in Pro and performed the editing in ArcGIS 10.5.1. But on import, I encountered alignments problem and I am now try to edit the map 100% with ArcGIS Pro.

Please help!

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

David-Semitekol — Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:42:55 GMT

I have to agree to all the other members posting to this site. In my organization we still produce "print ready" maps for presentations. In ArcPro there is not a good way to move symbols that overlap each other. It is very bad practice to use the edit tool to move the symbol since it is moving the GPS coordinates also. This means that we need to produce duplicate layers every time we want to change a symbol so that we have an original layer with the correct coordinates, in case we change the map extent. (I have not been able to try the Disperse Maker tool since I do not have the license for it.)

Currently, my workflow consists of exporting a finished map from Pro into a PDF and then opening the PDF in Acrobat. I then have to click on every symbol and move it, a tedious task no less! A task that also needs to be repeated every time there is a change in a map. Moving symbols can now take up a couple of hours in my work day.

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

VincentLaunstorfer — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:16:25 GMT

Hi,

I started this thread 2 years ago when I upgraded to ArcGIS Pro. I made a long way since and appreciate ArcGIS Pro in general. BUT for authoring map symbols, things are perhaps worse now! Would you believe... I am currently with Pro 2.4.3 and I cannot simply move my point symbols (.emf file symbols) to deal with overlaps and so on... It is terrible. Unless I miss something new, I feel stuck. Does anybody has find a workaround?

Re: ArcGIS Pro 2.0 | How to author map symbols?

David-Semitekol — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:26:09 GMT

Unfortunately no. My workflow still consists of either creating a second layer and moving the symbols via the editing tool or by creating a PDF and moving them in Adobe.

I've heard rumors that ESRI is trying to create a fix for this, but nothing too concrete so far. My best suggestion is to keep bringing it up to ESRI and your ESRI account manager. Hopefully enough squeaky wheels will get some solutions!