idea Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap in ArcGIS Pro Ideas

Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

ThomasColson — Wed, 16 Dec 2020 23:08:10 GMT

In Arc, it is very quick and easy for me to draw (not create a 3d line feature), emphasis on click one button and start drawing, a line, hit another button, and have a graph, or 3. Where this comes in handy, in an urgent, time-sensitive situation, is when deciding how to route rescue teams in steep, densely vegetated mountainous terrain in off trail searches. In about 10 seconds I'm able to produce the "yeah, we're not gonna do that" graph, the "well it will be easy coming down" graph, and the "is the helicopter flying today?" graph. I can even (very quickly) do mean things like set the horizontal axis to Logarithmic to create the "doesn't look too steep we can do this" graph. Looks like this has been brought up in the past: Loss of line profile tool in ArcGIS Pro? , 3D Profile in ArcGIS Pro with no answer, or "Interactive line profiling is not yet available in ArcGIS Pro, it will be added in a future release. Around the 1.2-1.3 time frame.", which doesn't appear to be the case. The existing Profile tools in Pro either take way to many steps, do not produce manipulatable output like you can in Arc unless you choose the Stack Profile tool, and export to Excel, or the Create Chart tool, which does not allow exporting to Excel. Looks like Profile Tools in general need a lot more development before Pro can be considered an "Arc Map Replacement": Elevation Profile Improvement, Batch export profile charts from ArcGIS Pro? , modify defaults for Point Profile Graph , profile graph in ArcGIS pro 2.0

Yes, I can hit the pencil button and "interactively" draw my lines, then I have to wrestle with chart options (make your own), or export the table: neither of which I have to do with the interactive profile tool in Arc.

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

christophkönig — Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:45:08 GMT

the tool should be migrated to Pro with the goal to produce very fast outputs (as described above), but it should also be extended with some additional functions, which can defined optionally: more than one data source (numerous DTMs, non-elevation data (for example a vegetation shapefile), scale for x and y axes, export to dxf and so on. It would help turning ArcGIS Pro to a very tool for engineers.

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

KateMickelson — Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:53:20 GMT

As a part of our job, me and my five team members have to use the Profile Graph tool to measure the elevation difference on hundreds of polygons a day. This tool was a quick and on the fly method to do this. Without this tool we are unable to migrate to Pro. Please bring it back!!!

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

ChristophKönig1 — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 08:58:21 GMT

it's similar to this: https://community.esri.com/ideas/4782

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

Robert_LeClair — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:28:11 GMT

The ArcMap method you mention for the Profile Graph Tool utilized graphic lines I believe. At this time, AGP does not support graphics so the previous workflow is not possible. As you may know, there is the Profile Graph workflow in AGP but is not as single click easy as you described. I know customers have been asking for graphics support in AGP - hopeful that this is added to a future release. (Disclaimer: I'm an Esri Instructor and have little to know sway in how/what the AGP developers work/plan for future AGP releases.)

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

MichaelVolz — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:33:20 GMT

Is the creation of these graphs something that will be added to your training classes?

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

Robert_LeClair — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:40:59 GMT

Currently, in our Instructor Led classes, no. I did a quick look in the Web Courses and only found one written for ArcMap 10.4. If/when there is graphic support in AGP, perhaps there will be a Web Course for something like this in the future.

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

RobbynAbbitt — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 13:29:20 GMT

Is it possible in ArcPro to create a profile graph using your own elevation data? I can only find information and tools for using the hosted (credit consuming) elevation sources from ESRI. We have our own high res LiDAR data and want to generate elevation profiles from that - is it possible?

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

ChristophKönig1 — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:05:09 GMT

it seems ESRI is unfortunately not interested in this topic!!!!!

there are various ideas in this forum regarding this topic, but it seems that nothing happens....

we'll never switch complety to Pro without a tool like this!

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

MichaelVolz — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:14:30 GMT

How many credits would one graph consume using ESRI's elevation source?

How accurate is ESRI's elevation source compared to your LIDAR data (Maybe you can showcase to ESRI how inaccurate their data is as a use case for them to allow organizations to use their own data sources)?

Try this comparison in ArcMap 10.x as that software is capable of using both your own data and ESRI credit consuming data on just a few samples so you don't consume too many credits during this testing. This alone proves that ArcMap is currently better as you can utilize either option instead of being restricted just to ESRI's option.

Do you know if ESRI has a sharing program for elevation data so if you provide them with the data, they will incorporate it into their source (This is how data is shared to their AGOL basemaps)?

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

ChristophKönig1 — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:21:27 GMT

well, a lidar dtm dataset often has a resolution of 1m, while the ESRI dataset has 10m or much more! it's not useful for most design purposes! image a little creek whis has a depth of 2m and width of 4m. it's not included in the 10m resolution at all....

and in our case the high resolution dtm is mostly owned by a government acency. that means it must not be shared with somebody else...

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

ThomasColson — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 16:50:08 GMT

Where this came from....I have Lidar that covers my entire jurisdiction, we very often have a requirement to do highly accurate 3D profiles, for example, to determine suitability for a rescue litter on a trail. The ESRI elevation "service" doesn't even compare to the resolution of our in-house DEM. It smooths things out too much whereas the 1 m I use can show exactly where a wheeled litter is not going to work. Just had a request last week for a profile where folks were going to be hiking up and down the same trail multiple times, and we needed to look at the safety aspect of repeat up/down hill hikes. In ArcMap, while complicated, we can produce some pretty detailed results. Not so in Pro. Hoping this existing capability gets migrated!

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

KoryKramer — Tue, 07 May 2019 12:54:40 GMT

Specific piece of ArcMap functionality needed for an ArcGIS Pro tool: https://community.esri.com/ideas/16636-improve-profile-graph-in-arcpro-flash-point-on-line

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

DrewFlater — Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:02:01 GMT

The ArcGIS Pro Profile Graph works with any 3D Line data - you do not need to run or use the Esri-hosted elevation data or Profile ready-to-use geoprocessing tool.

If you already have 3d lines, you just need to right-click the layer and select Create Chart>Profile Graph.

If you have 2d lines and an elevation surface, you first need to run the Interpolate Shape (3d Analyst) tool to burn the z-values into the 2d lines - either at the existing vertices, or at a regular sampling distance. Now that you have 3d lines, you can use them with the Profile Graph chart.

EDIT: Also wanted to point out that since March 2019, the Elevation and Hydrology ready to use services have been FREE- no credit charges to run the Profile, Summarize Elevation, Viewshed, Trace Downsteam, or Watershed ready to use services in ArcGIS Pro or any other client. https://developers.arcgis.com/rest/elevation/api-reference/get-started-with-elevation-services.htm#ESRI_SECTION1_D50801BCC66D40D094555B3221BA6D81

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

DrewFlater — Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:31:51 GMT

As of March 2019, the Elevation and Hydrology ready to use services have been FREE- no credit charges to run the Profile, Summarize Elevation, Viewshed, Trace Downsteam, or Watershed ready to use services in ArcGIS Pro or any other client. https://developers.arcgis.com/rest/elevation/api-reference/get-started-with-elevation-services.htm#ESRI_SECTION1_D50801BCC66D40D094555B3221BA6D81

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

ChristophKönig1 — Thu, 13 Jun 2019 05:34:00 GMT

it's absoluty not an comfortable way to do this. it's a workaround that produces data, because you have to produce no feature classes and it's slow!

notice: a modern software should be comfortable, fast and intuitive!

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

RobbynAbbitt — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 18:52:41 GMT

Thank you, Drew. I am just now circling back to this - it's that time of the semester! I'll be sure to share this with our students.

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

JonathanHarvey — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 18:07:19 GMT

This is the problem that finally drove me to make a GeoNet account. I use the ArcMap profile tool frequently while inspecting custom terrain models. The workflow to do so in ArcGIS Pro is just so much more clunkier, slower, and poorly-documented. The ready-to-use Profile tool is neat, but it is also quite limited and murky in terms of how exactly the points are getting extracted from the 'elevation service'...and as others have noted, it is useless for those of us who use our own hi-res elevation surfaces.Plus, when I DO make a profile chart from a 3D line, it doesn't seem that I am able to export the X-Y data table that the chart is made from. This is a huge omission.

Can someone from ESRI give us an update on this? As it is, I am going to have to push my geomorphology class and research group to a different platform for our terrain analysis work.

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

SeanPearce — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:09:08 GMT

Have you tried this 'Elevation' add-in?

https://marketplace.arcgis.com/listing.html?id=4c66005712cd4e9482b4a937dea86819

Re: Pro: Add the Profile Graph Tool as it works in ArcMap

ThomasColson — Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:50:19 GMT

No, since it has a cost associated with it.