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ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

Mustafa_HalukAy — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:24:38 GMT

Hello, I am working on ArcGIS pro 2.8, and I am trying to create a parcel fabric for my surveyed parcels. My problem is about for Parcel corners and parcel lines. First issue is, how can I re-number parcel corners for each parcel? There should be a relation between parcel corner and related parcel for sure. But I couldn't figure out, I need to read/watch more. And second issue is about Parcel lines. I have parcel line segments length, its ok but there is no start and end parcel corner names in the attribute field. I mean when we create a parcel fabric lines in ArcMap , there is a field like FROM / TO and this field includes start parcel corner name and end name. So I need a source to figure out those issues. Thanks.

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

DennisTebo — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:58:02 GMT

Mustafa,

Welcome to the new Parcel Fabric. I suggest brushing up on the structure some here:

https://pro.arcgis.com/en/pro-app/latest/help/data/parcel-editing/createaparcelfabric.htm

Down a little ways is the Parcel Fabric Data Model and below that is the description of the various components.

In summary, the lines do not have an association with the points like before (To/From ID's). Also, parcels do not have their own lines. The lines belong to the record that creates them and adjoining lots from the same record will share a line. No more duplicate lines, at least from the same Record. Points, like before, do not belong to a parcel, but are shared amongst all lines. A point (parcel/lot corner) just represents where a measured (Record) line ends and can be shared between many parcels, even between different parcel types. They are created and associated with a Record though. You can extend the attribute fields if you wish to maintain additional data on them. That goes for Records, Lines and Parcels too.

Hope this helps.

Dennis

OC Landbase

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

Mustafa_HalukAy — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 06:47:48 GMT

Thanks Dennis for great answer, really helpful.

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

AmirBar-Maor — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 06:53:05 GMT

@Mustafa_HalukAy

Could you please share why you want to number the parcel corners?

Are those permanent numbers or temporary numbers that are used for producing a layout like the example below?

Does the order of the numbering matter or could it be random?

If this is for layout, do you plan to have multiple parcels or one parcel at a time?

If you have an example of what you are trying to achieve it would be great if you can share it and any information (your organization, is this part of a legislated standard, etc.)

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

Mustafa_HalukAy — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:43:07 GMT

Thanks Amir, I will try to summarize our studies. Actually lets start from your notes,

Could you please share why you want to number the parcel corners? - There is a template so I need to create maps base on this. And there should be a list which includes corner points. You can see attached map.

Does the order of the numbering matter or could it be random? - Actually yes, if it starts from NW corner and continues clockwise, is good.

If this is for layout, do you plan to have multiple parcels or one parcel at a time? - one parcel

This is not a legislated standard but client use this map layouts for creating legal deeds. So they want to see those corners on the list, and distances between them. On the other hand, we have this kind of parcel surveys and now I'm trying combine all of them on the same database in farcel fabric, so it might be more easy to maintain , I think.

Thanks.

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

AmirBar-Maor — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 12:25:34 GMT

Thanks for sharing the image.

We plan to have the point numbering capability as part of a future release as part of the core product. In the meantime, we can work together to produce the legal deed/ title you need to produce.

This will is likely to include: geoprocessing tool Copy Parcels to extract the parcel in question, calculation of the point XY coordinates, extracting the polygon vertices and identifying the NW corner, then use the vertices to select points and calculate a point number. Send me an email: abarmaor@esri.com if you would like to pursue this.

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

SamuelTroth2 — Thu, 15 Jul 2021 14:56:54 GMT

Hi Mustafa,

The Geoprocessing tool 'Feature Vertices to Points' should help you here. The tool converts every vertex of every polygon into a point feature. Two things to note; these points are numbered (by ObjectID) in a clockwise direction and the first vertex is duplicated.

Hope that helps.

Samuel Troth

Esri

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

JeffWard — Thu, 19 Aug 2021 16:22:07 GMT

I was a fan of using point labels in the ArcMap fabric because I could construct a subdivision much more quickly. I could stay on the number keys and just use the mouse for map navigation. With the pro version, I have to click on a starting point, click on an end point, enter the bearing and distance, then click on New and do it all over again. Plus if I was entering a series of parallel lot lines ArcMap kept the last entered bearing and distance and I could enter the starting point id then hit Enter a few times and the line was done. I was really fast in ArcMap, Pro is much slower - it seems like when I have a long traverse the lag time between being able to enter lines gets quite significant as well.

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

AmirBar-Maor — Fri, 20 Aug 2021 04:30:52 GMT

@JeffWard

Traverse - we have made improvements to the traverse with ArcGIS Pro 2.8 but know that there is still more to do.

Subdivision entry efficiency - you are making an interesting statement and we would like to look into it. Are you aware that you can override the attribute values and digitize 2-point lines for repetitive lot lines as shown below?

Entering and editing in ArcGIS Pro is much more efficient. Should we setup time to meet and understand where you see additional deficiencies?

This is the help topic for feature templates attribute override.

Thanks,

Amir

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

DianeBaker — Wed, 01 Sep 2021 20:32:18 GMT

That is helpful! However, I do miss the days when I didn't have to touch the mouse so much.

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

AmirBar-Maor — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 07:24:45 GMT

@DianeBaker

Regarding your comment about "I do miss the days when I didn't have to touch the mouse so much" :

Is this specific to the above workflow or a general comment?

If this is a general comment more examples would be great, maybe under a different thread. Unlike AutoCAD command line or ArcInfo Workstation, where you type shortcuts - ArcGIS Pro uses keyboard shortcuts.

Finding the correct point numbers on the map can also consume a few mouse clicks and take time and has the potential for mistakes (typing the wrong point number).

We are always looking for ways to improve the software and make it more efficient.

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

DianeBaker — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 15:22:33 GMT

It was in reply to the video you showed of simplifying the entering in of multiple lines with the same bearing and distance. Which was a good reminder of that features capability. In ArcMap fabric you could just type the line beginning and hit enter a couple of times and it would copy the previous line bearing and distance and then build the line from the point indicated. Repeat the same thing for the next line, point number plus enter enter enter. I can build an entire subdivision with maybe a couple of clicks of a mouse and the rest by utilizing the keyboard/10key.

As I try to practice Pro Fabric I'm noticing I'm relying more on the mouse. I'm in no ways proficient in Pro Fabric yet so can't gauge which method is faster. In my noob state everything in Pro Fabric feels like its taking forever and involving a lot of mouse usage.

Re: ArcgisPro Parcel Fabric - Parcel Corners Numbering & Parcel Lines

AmirBar-Maor — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 06:50:48 GMT

Thanks @DianeBaker.

We have noticed that ArcMap Parcel Fabric users find it harder to adopt the parcel fabric in ArcGIS Pro than 'non parcel fabric' ArcMap Editors. However, both groups testify that would never go back to ArcMap once they get used to working in ArcGIS Pro.

Any ribbon-based user interface is likely to introduce a few more mouse clicks, but that should be negligible if you set your own QAT (Quick Access toolbar) and configure the tool gallery to meet your workflow needs.

Once you become more proficient in ArcGIS Pro we would love to get your feedback and make data entry in ArcGIS Pro even more efficient.