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Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

AbigailSmith18 — Thu, 26 Dec 2024 19:44:14 GMT

ArcGIS Pro Traverse Tool does not give the Misclose Direction if a survey entered in the Traverse Tool does not close. The ArcMap Traverse Tool generated a Closure Report containing Misclose Distance and Direction. Could a Closure Report containing both Misclose Distance and Direction be automatically generated by the ArcGIS Pro Traverse tool? Or could Misclose Direction be added to the Misclose information box in the Traverse Tool?

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction - Status changed to: Needs Clarification

AmirBar-Maor — Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:24:45 GMT

@AbigailSmith18

When examining which misclose information to display we could not find any justification for showing the misclose direction.

Could you please explain why you need to see the misclose direction and how you use this information.

If it is really important you can still review it by switching to the CLOSURE tab and setting the Closure method to 'Snap last line to close'. The last course shows the misclose direction and distance.

You can copy past the misclose information by right-clicking in the traverse misclose area and pressing 'Copy text'. Most organizations do not use this functionality because it is already stored as a parcel attribute that can be used for QA (Quality Assurance).

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

AbigailSmith18 — Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:53:53 GMT

@AmirBar-Maor

I reached out to my client for clarification on how they use it in their current workflows in ArcMap the response is below:

"I have attached a screenshot of an example I used today. This error in closure of N 7-56-22 W 4.86 feet had to be communicated with an attorney’s office. Not only do we use it when new surveys or splits come through the system that do not close, the direction helps us verify if the problem is an existing call or not.

When the planning department sends the GIS plats to review, the specific direction and distance is then sent back to the surveyor to address. We also traverse the lines twice to ensure it is not a human error on our part. There have been times when the error in closure distance remains the same when the direction has changed meaning it is not the same error in closure as previously traversed. Showing both ensures that the correct parties are contacted with all of the information that will be needed. We are able to communicate with other departments and outside the organization exactly where the error lies."

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

AmirBar-Maor — Tue, 12 Nov 2024 08:44:24 GMT

Thanks for the quick feedback @AbigailSmith18

There are a few methods to try and detect blunders in a traverse as described in this slide deck.

It is also possible to detect a single-direction blunder in a closed traverse using this method:

Would improving blunder detection in the traverse pane make more sense than exposing additional information?

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

RachelBaca — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 00:32:53 GMT

The directional information is standard surveying info as well as a standard practice. If I have to contact the PLS of record due to an error, the misclosure distance and direction are expected. If I cannot do this in ArcPro, I'll be forced to use AutoCAD or another traverse software. In fact, there other functions that ArcPro does not have that even ArcInfo had that helped when trying to deal with non-tangent curve errors: bearing\bearing, bearing\distance and distance\distance intersections. Those are invaluable functions.

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

AmirBar-Maor — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 08:04:52 GMT

Hello @RachelBaca

You will find the command you refer to in the editing toolbar. Those are 'intersection tools' and you can learn more about them in the help documentation.

ArcMap and ArcInfo included functionality that was never used and not needed, so we must examine 'why...?' a capability is required before adding it to ArcGIS Pro. That includes understanding the workflows.

What do you do when a recorded document has an error? Can you reject it and have the surveyor correct and resubmit it?

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction - Status changed to: In Product Plan

AmirBar-Maor — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 14:48:09 GMT

We plan to display the misclose direction in the near term

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

AbigailSmith18 — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 17:58:14 GMT

@AmirBar-Maor

I will pass along the information provided above to my clients, but it would be more streamlined for their workflows that the additional information (Misclose Direction) be exposed in the Traverse Tool verses having to manually generate it/go to additional windows.

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

AbigailSmith18 — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 19:09:54 GMT

@AmirBar-Maor

Thanks for the update!

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

TimHodson — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:11:16 GMT

In the ArcMap Traverse tool, the misclose information includes the difference in XY.

We are looking for feedback from everyone on whether or not to include it in the Pro Traverse.

Is there value in representing the closure as X and Y differences as well, or is Direction and Distance enough?

Please let us know if the XY representation gives you additional capabilities\business value that the Direction and Distance does not.

Thanks.

Option 1:

Misclose: N7-56-22W, 4.86 ft
Misclose XY: -0.671, +4.813
Misclose Ratio: 1 : 89
Calculated Area:
Closure Method: Compass (default)

Option 2:

Misclose: N7-56-22W, 4.86 ft
Misclose Ratio: 1 : 89
Calculated Area:
Closure Method: Compass (default)

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

NabilDroby1 — Thu, 19 Dec 2024 17:09:14 GMT

@AmirBar-Maor @TimHodson

I use traverse tool in my daily work for parcels and other related work, and I can't imagine doing any without this tool, and I save my traverses all the time and load them when needed. The misclosure report in ArcMap is crucial in my work; it helps me to get a cogo quick check on which call has the potential error, e.g. when displaying a misclosue bearing error like N 52-10-43 W, 10.00 I can quickly check all the calls and see if I have this bearing and then check the distance and often times I would have the distance typo by 10.00. Another useful thing in the traverse tool in ArcMap is when I start creating a new feature from a point that has coordinates and after entering some cogo lines, I can click anywhere while I'm cogoing to get the end coordinates to make sure they match the provided ones by the surveyor in the plat, and sometimes I don't have to do all the cogo because when clicking on some existing points, I can immediately know if the cogo closure is good and I'll just end at this point, and then the misclosure report in ArcMap is helping me reducing the work time.

I hope that you can add the same report in Pro to include the Misclosure As Direction/Distance, Misclosure As X/Y, and the End field so we can check the misclosure along the way.

Thank you

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

TimHodson — Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:02:37 GMT

Hi @NabilDroby1

Thank you for the response. We have some further questions about Misclosure As X/Y.

We have seen and understand the reasoning for adding the Direction as as part of the Misclosure As Direction/Distance, but we'd still like some further information on the value of also including the Misclosure As X/Y.

It's the same information in a different form. We are trying to avoid adding too much information in this part of the UI unless it's absolutely necessary. Are there any negative impacts to your workflows and requirements if the Misclose as XY were not present?

With regards to your other request to be able to check the misclosure along the way, would you please create a new idea for that?

Thanks, Tim

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

NabilDroby1 — Fri, 31 Jan 2025 18:27:20 GMT

Hi @TimHodson

I agree that the Misclosure as XY is the same as the Misclosure as Direction/Distance when ending at the starting point, but it's different if we want to check for closure when we have surveys that have more coordinated points and then we can plug in the start and end coordinates to quick check for closures along the traverse. It's not that crucial as the Direction/Distance, but it's sometimes useful. I posted a new idea as you requested https://community.esri.com/t5/arcgis-parcel-fabric-ideas/arcgis-pro-traverse/idi-p/1580941

Thank you,

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

AmirBar-Maor — Mon, 03 Feb 2025 11:15:22 GMT

@NabilDroby1 thanks for confirming that the misclose as X & Y is not crucial. From our perspective, adding information that cannot help only clutters the UI and adds confusion. The direction and distance, on the other hand, can help identify the course in which the blunder might have occurred.

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

AmirBar-Maor — Tue, 04 Feb 2025 10:34:14 GMT

@AbigailSmith18

ArcGIS Pro 3.5 will display the misclose direction and distance:

Tip: you can always right-click to copy this information for 'safekeeping'.

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction - Status changed to: Implemented

AmirBar-Maor — Tue, 04 Feb 2025 10:34:42 GMT

Implemented with ArcGIS Pro 3.5

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

NabilDroby1 — Tue, 04 Feb 2025 13:20:36 GMT

Great...Thank you.

Re: Traverse Tool - Closure Direction

AbigailSmith18 — Tue, 04 Feb 2025 14:23:30 GMT

Great. Thanks. I will let my clients know.