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How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

ErnestCacciaglia1 — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 14:17:18 GMT

I wish to determine the route length from a given location which will create a service area containing a given total distance of routes. For example, I wish to create a service area containing 20 miles of total road length. What is the route length from a given location that would create this service area?

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

JoeBorgione — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 14:48:45 GMT

I just created one with a 5 mile default break. 20 is too big for my area of operation. Analysis Settings: Default Breaks. Is this what you are looking for?

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

DanPatterson_Retired — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 14:51:21 GMT

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The service area will be produced outwards from an origin point, hence, if you are using distance as your criteria, the shape of the service area will reflect the road traversal distance, which in your case, you can specify when setting up your criteria.

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

ErnestCacciaglia1 — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:00:36 GMT

Thanks Joe,

But I don't think so. Let me try to clarify. I want to know what unique distance one would need to travel (along all possible routes) to create a service area containing a routes whose sum of is equal to a set number.

Does this help?

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

JoeBorgione — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:07:57 GMT

Beats me.... Dan?

Dan Patterson

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

ErnestCacciaglia1 — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:08:44 GMT

Thanks Dan,

But I think this does not answer my question, The following is a post from Joe in which I try to better explain my request:\

Let me try to clarify. I want to know what unique distance one would need to travel (along all possible routes) to create a service area containing a routes whose sum of is equal to a set number.

In this case, the route distance is what I am seeking. What is known is the maximum number of mile the service are may contain, and the location from which to start.

Does this help?

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

ErnestCacciaglia1 — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:19:05 GMT

Joe,

I have an iterative process which may work, ( I haven't tried it yet) but it would be rather time consuming. One could create several service area "rings", and determine which two span the desired "route sum". With finer and finer ring increments, one could then determine the optimal ring. (within a given tolerance) Done in a script, it accelerate the process considerably. I regret I don't have these programming skills, though.

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

ErnestCacciaglia1 — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:20:50 GMT

Joe,

I was more hoping for an already packaged tool, though...

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

DanPatterson_Retired — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 16:01:27 GMT

Sorry Joe Borgione I am lost in the sum of sums... it sounds like the services area along all possible routes needs to sum to 20, then that value is partitioned into the number of possible routes from the origin. So effectively, you need a minimum spanning tree from an origin. The spanning tree total length must equal 20 which is then partitioned into branch lengths or equal distance... it is those branch end points that are to be used to spatially delineate the bounds of the pseudo-service area. I haven't got time to look at it now since I am working on einsum tools. ergo... the day of sums

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

FreddieGibson — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 22:10:06 GMT

I just want to ensure that I'm understanding you correctly. Typically a service area represents all of the accessible edges within a specified limit. For example, let's consider the below image. In this image I've created a network with four lines that extend exactly one mile in each direction from the center.

If I were to execute a one mile service area from the center of the network it would show that I can travel anywhere along the network.

Due to the simplicity of this network, I would assume in your case that the above solution returned a total of four miles. In your case I'd assume that you'd want something that would allow you to input something like "create a service area where the sum of the lengths of the edges traveled equals one". In this simplified case where all is equal I know that I'd need to travel 0.25 miles along each edge to get the out-of-the-box tools to meet this requirement in the simplest manner.

Is this what you're seeking, but in a more real world example where the solution will vary drastically? I don't believe there is anything out-of-the-box that would yield this solution, but if needed I could see how you could code in most of Esri's available APIs to determine this answer. Could you provide some more information about your business requirements (i.e. what you're hoping to gain from this analysis and why you've chosen this approach)? Also, do you already have an idea of what your needed solution would look like and how you're intending to handle the infinite number of possibilities that this solution would yield. For example, the following image would be just as correct as the above image if I only needed a result where the sum of the lengths of the edges traversed is one mile. Technically I could distribute the required total distance along any number of edges and the solution would be correct.

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

DanPatterson_Retired — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 22:26:03 GMT

Freddie, that is my reading of the question as well .... partition the total amongst the edges. This would make it difficult to model anything other than a pure distance solution, although not impossible (weighted edges)

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

ErnestCacciaglia1 — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 02:19:59 GMT

"Create a service area where the sum of the lengths of the edges traveled equals one" is precisely what I am interested in resolving with two clarifications. Obviously, "one" should be a variable, and almost equally obvious is that all edges be of equal length. I believe that these two restrictions should produce one unique solution. One (possible) problem that I anticipate is in the case where two routes (of different lengths) converge on the same edge, because I'm not certain which length is used for the calculation. Your thoughts?

The purpose of this calculation is to determine the "best" location for future fire stations. Other variables withstanding, a station would service a given length of road miles, and be centrally located. This is not a critical calculation, but more one of an intellectual interest, so please don't feel obliged to pursue this solution if it becomes too time-consuming.

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

DanPatterson_Retired — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 02:33:48 GMT

as is our reading, you need the segments connecting to a location. The total desired distance is then divided by that to yield the travel distance along each segment. This is what Freddie's example shows visually.

addendum

given your example, you are more interested in time... ie a response time, hence it would become a standard service area whereby you use travel time as your constraint and the number of roads connecting to the location isn't relevant, but the travel time from that location along any route in the vicinity of that location.

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

ModyBuchbinder — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 05:34:15 GMT

Here is my 5 cent…

The best way is to try. Make service area for 3 minutes, if it is less than the sum roads you need try 5 minutes etc.

The problem with this is that it takes too long.

Doing simple select by circle is a good way to get the first guess very quick.

Select circles until you get the correct number then use the radius of the circle to estimate the driving time to the edge.

Remember you do not drive in a straight line to the end.

If your first try is close you should get your result in 1-3 tries.

Have fun

Mody

Re: How do I determine the maximum route distance to create a service area containing a given total number of route miles?

JaySandhu — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:11:09 GMT

As others have mentioned you can iterate with service area lines many times to find the break value that gives you 20 miles. Or you can use another approach: Location-Allocation. Let's say you have a field on your streets with length in miles. Run the GP tool Feature To Point with the Inside option on the streets. This will create a mid point on every street. Make a location-allocation layer. On the advanced settings, choose the problem type to be Maximize Capacitated Coverage. Load your facility location and set its capacity to 20. Load the mid points (or a relevant subset around your facility). Make sure to map the Length in miles as your Demand weight. Solve the location-allocation layer and it will select the points that sum up to 20 miles. There will be some "noise" at the ends as it may pick a further away point to ensure you get 20. But it will be quite close to the answer you are looking for.

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Jay Sandhu