topic convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation? in ArcGIS JavaScript Maps SDK Questions

convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

MikeSteven — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 14:28:54 GMT

Hi,

I'm trying to convert coordinates from WGS84 to British National Grid using the geometry service but when I do this, the points all seem to be a bit out (maybe 100m or so). From reading up on this it seems that the reason is probably I'm not doing a datum transformation to the coordinates. However, I can't find out what value to put in for the datum transformation.

The starting coordinates come from the geolocation API so are in WKID 4326, so the starting datum should be WGS1984 I think. The output spatial reference is British National Grid (WKID 27700) so it's datum is OSGB_1936. I've been searching to find out what the value for the datum transformation should be and the closest I've come is EPSG::1314 which is for WGS1984_To_OSGB_1936. I've tried specifying this as the datum transformation value but the output point is in the same location as if I leave this datum transformation parameter blank.

Has anyone else come across this?

   function zoomToLocation(location) {
    var pt = new Point(location.coords.longitude, location.coords.latitude, new SpatialReference({
     wkid : 4236
    }));
    var outSR = new SpatialReference({
     wkid : 27700
    });

    var PrjParams = new ProjectParameters();
    PrjParams.geometries = [pt];
    PrjParams.outSR = outSR;
    var datumtrans = 1314;
    PrjParams.transformation = datumtrans;

    geometryService.project(PrjParams, function(projectedPoints) {
     console.log('Conversion completed. Datum Transformation: ' + datumtrans + '.');
     pt = projectedPoints[0];
     map.centerAndZoom(pt, 8);
    });
   }

Re: convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

JohnGravois — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 14:56:49 GMT

your methodology seems correct to me and i can see by adding and removing the datum transformation in the request below that the output x and y are affected by about 100 units.
http://sampleserver6.arcgisonline.com/arcgis/rest/services/Utilities/Geometry/GeometryServer/project?inSR=4326&outSR=27700&geometries=1.8300%2C60.8900&transformation=1314&transformForward=false&f=html

are you sure your own geometry service supports adding a transformation? this capability wasn't added until 10.1
http://resources.arcgis.com/en/help/arcgis-rest-api/index.html#/Project/02r3000000pv000000/

HowTo: Select the correct geographic (datum) transformation when projecting between datums
http://support.esri.com/fr/knowledgebase/techarticles/detail/21327

Re: convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

MikeSteven — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 15:34:38 GMT

Thanks for your reply. Yeah I had been using ArcGIS Server 10.0 without thinking about it. We've also got a server running ArcGIS Server v10.2 and I've put the code into a javascript map on that server and when I put in the datum transformation as 1314 it shifts the results further to the west (they should be getting shifted to the east).

In your link

http://sampleserver6.arcgisonline.com/arcgis/rest/services/Utilities/Geometry/GeometryServer/project

I've just seen the transform forward parameter and notice that when I change it there it changes the values. How do I change this parameter in my code? I've tried playing about with something along the lines of

PrjParams.transformationForward = true;

or

PrjParams.transformationForward = false;

but it doesn't change the output value.

Cheers,
Mike

Re: convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

JohnGravois — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 15:45:17 GMT

unfortunately thats a bug:

[NIM090102: When projecting using geometry service in a JavaScript application, the transformationForward parameter is not passed to the request parameters even it is defined in the code.]

you might want to try using something like esriRequest.setRequestPreCallback() until the issue is resolved.

Re: convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

MikeSteven — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 15:56:46 GMT

Sorry you've lost me here, how can I use esriRequest.setRequestPreCallback() to set the transformationForward boolean? (it's false I need to set the transformationForward boolean to)

Re: convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

JohnGravois — Tue, 08 Apr 2014 15:58:15 GMT

setRequestPreCallback() is a generic method which gives you an opportunity to manipulate parameters in any AJAX request before it is sent.

if you'd like to take a stab at writing up a simple sample and incorporating the technique, i would happy to provide additional assistance if you get stuck.

Re: convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

MikeSteven — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:57:12 GMT

Erm, callbacks are not something I've worked with much so I'm struggling a bit. I've tried a few different things but I can't see how I should use the callback to set the parameters, sorry.

   function zoomToLocation(location) {
    console.debug(location);
    var pt = new Point(location.coords.longitude, location.coords.latitude, new SpatialReference({
     wkid : 4236
    }));
    //alert("input x = " + location.coords.longitude + " , y = " + location.coords.latitude);
    var outSR = new SpatialReference({
     wkid : 27700
    });

    PrjParams = esriRequest.setRequestPreCallback(setTransformationForward);
    alert("prjParams datumtrans = " + PrjParams.transformation);
    /*geometryService.project(PrjParams, function(projectedPoints) {
     console.log('Conversion completed. Datum Transformation: ' + PrjParams.transformationForward + '.');
     pt = projectedPoints[0];
     map.centerAndZoom(pt, 8);
     });*/
   }

   function setTransformationForward() {
    alert("got here");
    var PrjParams = new ProjectParameters();
    PrjParams.geometries = [pt];
    PrjParams.outSR = outSR;
    var datumtrans = 1314;
    PrjParams.transformation = datumtrans;
    PrjParams.transformationForward = false;

    return PrjParams;
   }

Re: convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

JohnGravois — Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:57:15 GMT

the crux of this issue is that setting the property on your ProjectParms object doesn't have the effect it should. because of this we need to be listening for the AJAX request all the time and modify it manually.

//we call this method once when the application loads so that it will execute afterwards when AJAX requests are fired.
esriRequest.setRequestPreCallback(addTransformationForward);
...
var params = new ProjectParameters();
params.geometries = [point];
...          
//setting this parameter is not working (because of NIM090102)
params.transformationForward = false;

gsvc.project(params, function(projectedPoints) {
    ...
});

function addTransformationForward(ioArgs) {
    //lets add the parameter when we catch an AJAX request aimed at our geometry service
    if (ioArgs.url == "http://sampleserver6.arcgisonline.com/arcgis/rest/services/Utilities/Geometry/GeometryServer/project")

        //add the request parameter manually
        ioArgs.content = ioArgs.content || {};
        ioArgs.content.transformForward = false;

    // don't forget to return ioArgs.
    return ioArgs;
}

heres a working fiddle
http://jsfiddle.net/jagravois/9WXDx/

Re: convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

MikeSteven — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 14:50:15 GMT

Thanks John, that's it working now.

That's greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Mike

Re: convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

JohnGravois — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 15:01:11 GMT

my pleasure Mike. please consider marking this thread as 'answered'.

Re: convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

derekswingley1 — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 18:23:06 GMT

Unfortunately, this is a bug in the docs. It should be transformForward, not transformationForward. See http://jsfiddle.net/9WXDx/2/.

We'll get this updated next time we update the docs.

Re: convert WGS84 to 27700 using geometry service - what datum transformation?

AdrianMarsden — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:27:21 GMT

Many thanks for that fiddle - I've just hit a similar issue (user collects in google maps, want to display in our 27700 maps) and a slightly modified version of your code works a treat.