topic Re: Near 3D - Delta Z calculation in 3D Questions

Near 3D - Delta Z calculation

JustinOdell — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:00:10 GMT

I have two point feature classes, both containing negative Z values, and I wish to compare the Z values of near features.

When I run the tool, I notice that the algorithm actually adds the difference between the Z values. For example:

Dataset A has a feature with Z value of "-5.5".

Dataset B has a feature with Z value of "-4.5".

These two features are considered "near".

When running the Near 3D (3D Analyst) tool, it calculates the field "NEAR_DELTZ" to be "+10.0" (i.e. -5.5 - 4.5 = +10.0), instead of my expected delta of "1.0".

Is there a way to calculate the Z value between two negative values, without having to recalculate the fields to have one positive and one negative?

Re: Near 3D - Delta Z calculation

DanPatterson_Retired — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:18:35 GMT

There is one outstanding bug, if your X,Y are in Geographic Coordinates

and there are ...other bugs...

You may want to look since you don't specify there version of ArcMap either

Re: Near 3D - Delta Z calculation

JustinOdell — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:31:29 GMT

Thanks for the info Dan. I am on ArcMap version 10.4.1.

My datasets are in grid coordinates (projected), so not affected by the geographic coordinate bug.

Surprised to see there are so many bugs with this tool. Alternatively, is there a better way to compare Z values of nearest points?

Ultimately I'm looking to run analysis between the two layers to find a mean value by which I could block shift one dataset to meet another.

I know there is the cut/fill tool if I build rasters. But it'd be nice if the analysis can be done at the vector level.

Re: Near 3D - Delta Z calculation

DanPatterson_Retired — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:43:31 GMT

At least you have a version >= 10.4 because ...this bug... made the results just plain wrong unless a search radius was specified

Re: Near 3D - Delta Z calculation

XanderBakker — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 16:22:52 GMT

Do you know if the right "near" feature is returned? If so, you can calculate the Delta Z using the Z of the geometry and the Z of the near feature. If have used it in the past and did not encounter any problems, but in my case Z values were positive. See: https://community.esri.com/people/xander_bakker/blog/2016/07/09/creating-a-3d-tree-with-arcpy-for-3d-analysis

Re: Near 3D - Delta Z calculation

JustinOdell — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 01:39:34 GMT

I see where I went wrong.

Looking at the attribute table, there were multiple fields for Z values. I made the assumption points on land were positive Z and points in the water were negative Z. On further examination, the negative Z values in the attribute table were simply inverted with the Field Calculator or Excel, but the feature geometry retained positive Z values. I tested this by calculating the geometry of my features and realised my "depths" were actually "elevations".

I resolved the issue by using the "Adjust 3D Z" tool to 'reverse' the sign of the feature Z geometry. Recalculated the 'Near 3D' values and got the expected result.

Put this one down to user error.