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Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

JamalNUMAN — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:49:41 GMT

Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

Please, see the attached image that shows my question

Why the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� is not in the toolbox? or even in the pull down minue as in ArcGIS 9?

Thank you

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

MichaelStead — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:32:26 GMT

It's the "Create Tin" tool, the description is just inadequate. It creates an empty TIN if you don't define any inputs I guess.

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

ChristianSveen — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:28:11 GMT

How do I remove unuseful elevation data from TIN? (if possible)

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

JeffreySwain — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:55:08 GMT

They have augmented the 'Create Tin' tool to do all of the processing like the old toolbar button did. The old 'Create TIN' did not include data, but the new one does. I agree the help needs to be updated for version 10 and I have indicated as much on the feedback for the page. If you see something like that I encourage using that feedback button. It is a little button with a pencil on it.

As far as the TIN Chris mentioned, it appears that you are using your boundary as a Hard Clip rather than Soft clip. I would create the TIN again and this time, specify a soft clip and remove the height for that feature.

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

JakubSisak — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:04:45 GMT

In addition to Jeff's answer; you could also use the TIN Editing tools (toolbar) which are now bundled with version 10. (Previously a separate install). If Hard Clip does not remove all the triangles you could delete them manually using these tools.

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

JamalNUMAN — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:11:33 GMT

They have augmented the 'Create Tin' tool to do all of the processing like the old toolbar button did. The old 'Create TIN' did not include data, but the new one does. I agree the help needs to be updated for version 10 and I have indicated as much on the feedback for the page. If you see something like that I encourage using that feedback button. It is a little button with a pencil on it.

As far as the TIN Chris mentioned, it appears that you are using your boundary as a Hard Clip rather than Soft clip. I would create the TIN again and this time, specify a soft clip and remove the height for that feature.

Thank you Jeff for the answer.

I'm wondering why ESRI couldn't includes all the commands in the ArcToolbox. It's quite crucial for the user to access all the commands from one place!

second, some times, the same command has two different names! one name in the Arctoolbox and other name in the toolbar minue!

regards

Jamal

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

EricRice — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 16:03:09 GMT

I'm wondering why ESRI couldn't includes all the commands in the ArcToolbox. It's quite crucial for the user to access all the commands from one place!

All of the commands have always been in ArcToolbox. The toolbar was what was limited in functionality. It only contained a subset of tools that 3D Analyst offered.

second, some times, the same command has two different names! one name in the Arctoolbox and other name in the toolbar minue!

This is one of the very reasons the toolbars from Spatial Analyst and 3D Analyst had their tools removed. Different names, different parameters, different UI's, different environments/options, all led to confusion for many users. The full power of these extensions (analytically anyway) has always been and remains in ArcToolbox.

Regards,
Eric

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

JamalNUMAN — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:57:56 GMT

All of the commands have always been in ArcToolbox. The toolbar was what was limited in functionality. It only contained a subset of tools that 3D Analyst offered.

This is one of the very reasons the toolbars from Spatial Analyst and 3D Analyst had their tools removed. Different names, different parameters, different UI's, different environments/options, all led to confusion for many users. The full power of these extensions (analytically anyway) has always been and remains in ArcToolbox.

Regards,
Eric

Thank you Eric for the reply.

i think, this kind of confusion is still there!

i to collect some examples that shows these two issues:

- commands that are not in the ArcToolbox;
- commands that have different names.

regards

Jamal

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

EricRice — Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:55:49 GMT

Hi Jamal,

Please provide specific examples and I can provide comments/history.

Thanks,
Eric

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

JeffreySwain — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:50:34 GMT

In terms of a comprehensive list of the differences between toolbars it is not necessary. The functionality is there, but the way you are used to accessing it is just what has been altered. In looking at the 3d Analyst Toolbar 9.3.1 and 10 here is the most direct description.

The toolbar buttons are there, but they have removed the rest of the drop down as all of that functionality is still in the same place in ArcToolbox. The interpolation tools are all located under the folder heading Interpolation, the Surface toolset, the Functional Surface, and Conversion are all there.

So the tools are still there, but the interface is a little different. All of the functionality remains.

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

JamalNUMAN — Sat, 05 Nov 2011 07:10:57 GMT

Hi Jamal,

Please provide specific examples and I can provide comments/history.

Thanks,
Eric

Many thanks Eric.

Just as a simple example:

What is the equivalent command to "Export Data" in the ArcToolbox?

I think we all need to have all the commands to be in the ArcToolbox WITH EXACTLY THE SAME NAME.

regards

Jamal

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

EricRice — Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:08:20 GMT

Hi Jamal,

I was hoping to keep this specific to either 3D or Spatial Analyst, but I'll run with what you've provided. The Export Data dialog has several equivalent geoprocessing tools. Because of this, it can't have the exact same name as a single tool in ArcToolbox. The raster > Data > Export Data dialog provides the following capabilities.

Converting your input raster to another format

Projecting your raster to another coordinate system

Changing the cell size of your raster

Clipping a raster dataset

Sub setting a raster dataset with more than 3 bands, so that you just get the 3 bands being displayed. e.g. Converting 7 band landsat to 3 band landsat

Permanently applying a stretch to an image (No single equivalent GP tool because it needs the renderer information to do this.)

In ArcToolbox you would use these tools to mimic the Export Raster Data dialog.

Copy Raster

Project Raster

Resample

Clip

Composite Bands

Make Raster Layer

The export dialog is more of an interactive user experience and while GP can be run from the Desktop, it is often run via scripting. There is no way we would make a single GP tool with all of the possible parameters that could be called from the export dialog.

Regards,
Eric

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

JamalNUMAN — Wed, 09 Nov 2011 06:32:38 GMT

Hi Jamal,

I was hoping to keep this specific to either 3D or Spatial Analyst, but I'll run with what you've provided. The Export Data dialog has several equivalent geoprocessing tools. Because of this, it can't have the exact same name as a single tool in ArcToolbox. The raster > Data > Export Data dialog provides the following capabilities.

Converting your input raster to another format

Projecting your raster to another coordinate system

Changing the cell size of your raster

Clipping a raster dataset

Sub setting a raster dataset with more than 3 bands, so that you just get the 3 bands being displayed. e.g. Converting 7 band landsat to 3 band landsat

Permanently applying a stretch to an image (No single equivalent GP tool because it needs the renderer information to do this.)

In ArcToolbox you would use these tools to mimic the Export Raster Data dialog.

Copy Raster

Project Raster

Resample

Clip

Composite Bands

Make Raster Layer

The export dialog is more of an interactive user experience and while GP can be run from the Desktop, it is often run via scripting. There is no way we would make a single GP tool with all of the possible parameters that could be called from the export dialog.

Regards,
Eric

Thank you Eric for the elaboration. this is quite helpful.

what if we need to "Export Data" for a vector layer (polygons not Raster)?

what is the equivalent tool in the ArcToolbox?

regards

Jamal

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

PatrickTaurman — Wed, 09 Nov 2011 11:32:08 GMT

Hi Jamal,

There are several tools for vector data also. These include:

Copy Features
Feature Class to Feature Class
Project

and I am sure there are a couple more I am missing.

Patrick

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

JamalNUMAN — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:32:15 GMT

Hi Jamal,

Please provide specific examples and I can provide comments/history.

Thanks,
Eric

Hi Eric,

hope this post finds you well.

other exmaples why the arcGIS is confusing:

- the command "Explode" has two different names (screenshot 1)
- the command planarize doesn't exist on the toolbox (screenshot 2)

what do you think?

all the best

Jamal

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

EricRice — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:22:13 GMT

Hi Jamal,

I think you have legitimate points with these two examples although we've deviated quite a bit from anything to do with the deprecation of the 3d toolbar tools. I discussed this thread with the User Advocacy Group and highlighted a number of your concerns/examples. They will be sure to discuss with the respective teams involved. My guess at what happened is the Explode UI command was in the software, then at some later date there was a need to automate the functionality, and another team created the GP tool and named it something different than the UI command. Just my hunch. Nonetheless, I see how it can create confusion.

The Planarize Lines command does actually have some GP tools that do the same. For example, Feature to Line can be used to split the lines at intersections. Depending on whether or not you preserve attributes you will retain the overlapping line segments (preserving keeps overlap). There is also a simple model that could be built that would incorporate Intersect (output type points), Split Line at Point, and Delete Identical (using Shape field). Feature to Line works on more than just line input which is probably why it's not called Planarize Lines event though it can do the same thing. At the very least, searching on the word Planarize should return better results. I will submit a NIM to the team so that additional tags are added to the Feature to Line tool for search purposes.

Thanks for your feedback.

Best,
Eric

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

FranzLeonardo — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:59:05 GMT

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Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

JamalNUMAN — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:15:38 GMT

Hi Jamal,

I think you have legitimate points with these two examples although we've deviated quite a bit from anything to do with the deprecation of the 3d toolbar tools. I discussed this thread with the User Advocacy Group and highlighted a number of your concerns/examples. They will be sure to discuss with the respective teams involved. My guess at what happened is the Explode UI command was in the software, then at some later date there was a need to automate the functionality, and another team created the GP tool and named it something different than the UI command. Just my hunch. Nonetheless, I see how it can create confusion.

The Planarize Lines command does actually have some GP tools that do the same. For example, Feature to Line can be used to split the lines at intersections. Depending on whether or not you preserve attributes you will retain the overlapping line segments (preserving keeps overlap). There is also a simple model that could be built that would incorporate Intersect (output type points), Split Line at Point, and Delete Identical (using Shape field). Feature to Line works on more than just line input which is probably why it's not called Planarize Lines event though it can do the same thing. At the very least, searching on the word Planarize should return better results. I will submit a NIM to the team so that additional tags are added to the Feature to Line tool for search purposes.

Thanks for your feedback.

Best,
Eric

Hi Eric,

this just to provide more examples regarding the inconsistency in the ArcGIS.

When the ArcGIS will be free of these problems?

1. Having different names for the same command!

Example, �??import�?�

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2. Missing some commands on the toolbox! And then how to get the benefit of the model builder?
Example: �??new network dataset�?�

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3. Commands that doesn�??t respect the mask

Examples�?�: multiple ring buffer, create thiessian polygon

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4. Commands that doesn�??t respect the mask unless an internal setting are applied

Examples: create tin, topo to raster,

5. The ArcGIS doesn�??t keep showing the name of the extent layer! Each time we go to the extent we got confused about which layer is set to the extent since the arcgis gives �??as specified below�?� instead of showing the name of the layer!!!!

cont. for screenshots (as the system doesn't allow attaching more than 5 images!)

Best

Jamal

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

KathrinSchulte-Braucks — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:53:14 GMT

Another for name confusions: Merge in the Editor Toolbar and Merge in the Data Management Toolbox.

Re: Where in the command �??Create TIN from feature�?� in ArcGIS 10?

IsabellaPartin — Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:59:32 GMT

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I realize this is a long dead thread, but for those of you who still might be interested:
"Create TIN from Features" is still available in its original form and under it's original name if you add it to the 3D Analyst toolbar using customize, commands tab, 3D Analyst, then drag and drop the "Create TIN From Features" button onto your 3D Analyst toolbar.

Here's my question, how do I use Create TIN From Features in Modelbuilder?

Thanks,
Belle