topic Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation) in 3D Questions

ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

MikeFutrell — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:28:10 GMT

ArcScene: I upgraded 10 to 10.1 and now TINs are virtually non-functional when symbolizing by face elevation. TINS of even just a few faces, created in 9.x, 10, or 10.1, give that all familiar "Not Responding" for minutes then does not display correctly. Forget about turning the model. Symbolizing by wireframe, aspect, or slope seems to work ok (but elevation is 99% of use). In 10.0 even my large TINs worked fine. So now I have a lot of broken non-functional work. Even simple v10.0 SXD files won't even open!! [no other hardware/software changes were made]

Anyone else experiencing this? Do I need to roll back to 10.0?
Thank you,
Mike

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

DarrochKaye — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 04:17:28 GMT

My ArcScene 10.1 crashes as soon as I load any 3D-enabled feature class or shapefile. Completely unusable.

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

JakubSisak — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:28:09 GMT

Wow. A good thing I have not updated then. Using TINs is extremaly important for my work.

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

EricRice — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:00:59 GMT

Jakub,

The product wouldn't make it out the door if ArcScene crashed on ALL systems simply by adding a 3d feature class to the application. As for the TIN issue, I have no problems rendering TIN's of all sizes in ArcScene. Mike and Darroch should probably contact Esri Support so they can troubleshoot their systems. Below is a screenshot of the new LAS Dataset in ArcScene. It has ~ 144 million points inside. The default setting is to have a max point in display of 12.8 million. It renders fine and I can navigate seamlessly even after switching the default rendering (points) to be a surface using elevation - which is how a TIN would display.

Please upgrade (at your convenience) and repost your results to this thread. If I were seeing the same as others on this thread I would not suggest that, but I am comfortable going out on a limb here and saying the issues described thus far are isolated issues and not a trend in the software.

Best,
Eric

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

JakubSisak — Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:14:42 GMT

Please upgrade (at your convenience) and repost your results to this thread.
Eric

Thanks Eric,
That's a fair comment. I might have jumped into my conclusion too quickly merely because working with TINs is such an importatnt aspect of my work. I will upgrade to 10.1 on one of my machines, test this behaivour and provide my own findings.
Jakub

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

JeffreyGagnow — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 23:20:08 GMT

I have the same issue--

All available tin faces work with the exception of "elevation"--

It locks up for several minutes at a time--

I can still drape other things over the tin and that works--

I have an incident going with ESRI but so far no success on correcting the issue--

10.0 worked fine but this "elevation" tin is the only problem with 10.1 to date--

I have uninstalled and re-installed several times only to return to the same issue--

dlg

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

JørnKristiansen — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:14:05 GMT

Hi there.

I can also confirm that this strange event also happens to me. Cant figure out how to fix this. Every time i load a TIN model or converting from raster to TIN in ArcScene, the "not responding" dialog appears.

I wait for 5 min, and suddenly i see some of the triangulation but the software is totally locked (it's like it processing huge amount of data). After 5 min. I'm also capable to see the TIN layer in the TOC. The problem cant be my hardware. When i'm using v.10.0 there is no problem, it has started after I installed 10.1

Jorn

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

EricRice — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:56:52 GMT

David,
I had your incident escalated, and I just checked with the analyst and we are awaiting your data.

Jorn,
Can you contact Support? Or can you post a TIN here?

Jakub,
Have you had a chance to upgrade and work with your TIN's?

All,
We are very interested in getting to the bottom of the issue you are experiencing.

Best,
Eric

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

JørnKristiansen — Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:39:22 GMT

Thanks for the effort of trying to fix this problem Eric.

I will try to contact the Support section.
I will also try to report the progress on this thread.

First, I did not manage to post the TIN file here, but I have added som photos of the failing process.

The first picture shows approximately 5 min after i have opened the TIN.
The second picture is showing 6-7 min after i have opened the TIN.

It seems like it is rendering huge data extremely slow, but in the reality the data is not that big. My hardware spec is rather good, so this make no sense.

-Jorn

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

PrasantaBhattarai — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:00:45 GMT

Hi Jorn,

Could you please share info on which graphics card, driver date and version you have for your machine?
One of my user who is having this issue has Radeon HD 7690 MXT Driver date: 11/28/2011 and Driver Version: 8.882.2 4000.

With his TINs, we tested this behavior on my machine (with NVIDIA Quadro FX 4600) and was not able to reproduce the issue. I am trying to gather as much information as I can to narrow down this issue and see if this is specific to certain hardware.

Regards,
Prasanta.

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

JørnKristiansen — Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:18:10 GMT

Hi there Prasanta.

Here is the information on my graphics card:
-I'm using a XFX Radeon HD 6970 2GB GDDR5 graphics card
-The driver date is 07/27/2012
-And driver version 8.982.0.0

Thanks for looking into my problem.

-Jorn

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

BenHaas — Wed, 26 Sep 2012 23:01:50 GMT

I am also having this problem, but I cannot get direct customer support because I have a student license.

I am running:
AMD Phenom II x4 955 processor (3.2 GHz)
ATI Radeon 5750 (7/27/2012 driver update)
16gb DDR3 1333 RAM
Windows 7 64-bit

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

PrasantaBhattarai — Thu, 27 Sep 2012 15:20:25 GMT

Thank you all for providing information about your hardware.
This issue seems to be affecting only the ATI graphics cards. We have now been able to recreate this issue in Support using an ATI graphics card, and have logged a defect for this behavior in ArcScene 10.1. The reference number and subject line for this bug are as follows:

[#NIM085208 In machines with ATI Graphic Cards, ArcScene freezes or takes very long to display a TIN surface as face elevation with graduated color ramp.]

This bug is now being looked at by our development team, and they will take further action as necessary to address this issues as soon as possible. We apologize on any inconvenience that this issue might cause on your work flow and thank you again for bringing this issue to our attention.

Regards,
Prasanta.

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

JørnKristiansen — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 10:20:28 GMT

Hi,

It's great that you also have been able to reproduce the issue regarding TIN modeling and ATI graphics cards.

Do you have any estimate when this problem can be expected to be resolved?
I agree that this is a very difficult question to answer, but I have limited of time to finish my TIN model.
So do you recommend to reinstall 10.0 or wait for a fix to 10.1?

Very pleased that you take this problem seriously, much appreciated.

-Jorn

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

GIS-Cambria — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:16:41 GMT

I'm also running into display problems with an elevation raster in ArcScene. I'm trying to load raster elevation files (bare ground, or first return) generated from LiDAR. The area is approximately 700 sqmi. Rendering the image in ArcMap works fine, every time I try to add the layer into ArcScene I get a message, preparing <image> for display. The progress bar goes to about 33% and ArcScene stops responding.

Tech and Specs
In Task Manager, ArcScene runs memory up to +2GB.....
I've got a NVIDIA Quadro FX 4800 graphics card with the latest drivers (9.18.13.593) but that horsepower seems to add nothing to ArcScene.
I'm using AGIS 10.1 on a Windows 7 64B OS. My workstation has 6GB RAM and an Intel X5677 processor. This system should scream through this type of application.

Please help.... Are there recommended tweaks for ArcScene?
Is ArcScene the wrong platform for 3D analysis with raster data, if so how is a base elevation layer to be used?
I seem to remember ArcScene 9.3x rendered the same bare earth image without errors.
One last thing: the rasters are stored in a local usb drive inside of a File Geodatabase.

same problem in 3D view of LAS dataset

RobertoRossi — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:43:54 GMT

I have the same problem in ArcMAP, symbolizing a LAS dataset with TIN faces by elevation and viewing it with LAS Dataset 3D View: I have to wait a lot for rendering, and finally it doesn't work: I only see a static view with faded colour.

I have no problem symbolizing by slope or aspect.
No problem either viewing the elevation in a notebook (with integrated Intel graphic card).

The machine that has the problem has an ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series, with catalyst 12.1

Roberto Rossi

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

RobertoRossi — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:47:15 GMT

Using the driver to 8.670.0.0 (ATI Radeon HD 4650), witch seem older, instead than catalyst 12.1, it works!

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

GeospatialTechnology — Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:49:52 GMT

Following on from this has anyone been having any troubles with arcmap in 10.1

It's taking unusually long time to save workspaces that would have saved straight away in 10

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

JørnKristiansen — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 11:14:46 GMT

Hi,
I hoped that this problem would be fixed when I installed the new service pack, but the problem is still there. Anybody have any solution? Or anyone know anything more about when this will be fixed?

-Regards Jorn

Re: ArcScene 10.1 near non-functional with TIN (face elevation)

GeospatialTechnology — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:12:37 GMT

Yes I also still have the same issue even though I was told it would be solved in SP1. Come on ESRI!!